Hello! Please post all discussion in this thread that is unrelated to testing or issues with the game client.

I'll start things off!

I can't wait to use the new Fan of Knives. <3

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
The system goes on-line November 13th, 2008. Human decisions are removed from choosing what game to play. Subscriptions rise at a geometric rate.

Removed all detrimental Fan of Knives posts.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
The system goes on-line November 13th, 2008. Human decisions are removed from choosing what game to play. Subscriptions rise at a geometric rate.

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I figured maybe all the other classes above us on the damage meters (hunter, warrior, lock ,mage, priest) got nerfed.

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I'm always topping the DPS charts as a Rogue against similarly pimped out classes with a raid DPS spec. There are many, many, many, many, many variables involved to affect the accuracy of your statement.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
The system goes on-line November 13th, 2008. Human decisions are removed from choosing what game to play. Subscriptions rise at a geometric rate.

If your damage meters are taking into consideration the AOE that other classes can put out versus a Rogue and are using that to say Rogue DPS isn't high enough, then you're arguing from an incorrect position.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
The system goes on-line November 13th, 2008. Human decisions are removed from choosing what game to play. Subscriptions rise at a geometric rate.

http://blue.mmo-champion.com

Best resource for getting answers to questions like that.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
The system goes on-line November 13th, 2008. Human decisions are removed from choosing what game to play. Subscriptions rise at a geometric rate.

If anything is mentioned, it'll be here:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13593901222&sid=1

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
The system goes on-line November 13th, 2008. Human decisions are removed from choosing what game to play. Subscriptions rise at a geometric rate.

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Hence if we are no longer the ideal single target boss fight dps.

The point still remains. There is simply no point in taking rogues on a raid anymore.

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Gear, skill, talent spec, factors related to specific boss fights... all of these are missing from your assertions. In every fight I've been on, I've topped the DPS charts. Maybe something breaks down at super high level raiding that remains intact on entry-level 10 and 25 mans. But you've got to give something more to work with than unsupported conclusions.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
The system goes on-line November 13th, 2008. Human decisions are removed from choosing what game to play. Subscriptions rise at a geometric rate.

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Anyway, your "I'm doing good so that must mean it's fine" comments are laughably ignorant.

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I acknowledge that I don't know everything there is to know about the game, but the comments being made in this thread seem to be an "all or none" type deal, where Rogues are ALWAYS outperformed. I'm providing a notable exception.

I'm not saying "I'm doing good so that must mean it's fine", I'm saying "I'm doing good, so can you provide some more data, take into consideration what each player's ability and gear spec and all those other factors that can affect DPS are, collect this all and isolate what the individual problems are, and post this information, preferably in a separate thread away from the General Discussion thread where developers are least likely to tread?"

If you've already done this on other forums... I don't moderate the other forums. But the developers have likely seen it if that's the case.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13593960700&pageNo=4&sid=1#62

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I also posted this in the suggestions forum on here:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13771097412&sid=1



i'm TRYIN not to qq too hard btw

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You'll also find your access to certain cities and flight paths will be restricted until you fix your reputation.

Such is the price of piracy. Yarr.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13593960700&pageNo=4&sid=1#62

Lariana, Bloodsail Buccaneers is not a fully supported faction like your other examples, nor was it ever intended to be. The faction is working 100% as it was designed. If that is a problem, you'll want to post in the Suggestions Forum.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13593960700&pageNo=4&sid=1#62

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What exactly is a "not fully supported" faction? Can you define this term?
And can we get a list of all "not fully supported" factions?

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It means that there aren't going to be vendor awards, that it wasn't designed like more modern factions were (starting with Burning Crusade and going forward), and to pursue it is to willingly put on yourself a form of punishment that goes above and beyond what you would normally expect from a faction.

In short, pursue Bloodsail Buccaneer reputation at your own discretion. You don't have to do it. There is only one or two "rewards", depending on your perspective, to doing it.

A faction from the launch of WoW that hasn't been updated being compared against newer factions is not a good comparison to make.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13593960700&pageNo=4&sid=1#62

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Now if only a blue would reply to this sometime, ive tried on the general discussion boards but it always seems ignored. That and where did all the armorsmith weaponsmith stuff go. I guess blizzard just wants blacksmithing to be a non existant profession.

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I don't respond to feedback or suggestions unless to point out that it needs to be improved. The reason is that I'm not qualified to respond. If you're looking for Ghostcrawler-esque responses, post where he posts.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13593960700&pageNo=4&sid=1#62

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You have to admit that this "unsupported" faction debacle would be the perfect way to make some money, right? All you'd have to do is make it into the best WoW Contest yet. This time winning wouldn't be through rock, paper, scissors balance or FotM, but through a person ability to design content. Let me explain...

You make a list of the "unsupported" factions that one lucky player will "upgrade" to a standard faction. That player would pay $5 and write an essay about how the faction would be upgraded. The winner would receive a title, an NPC in the game, maybe a tabard, some gaming reward like a keyboard, ect.

The essay would include:
- Why the specific faction would get an upgrade
- How this faction would connect with the current game
- New quests (one-time, daily, repeatable)
- Rep rewards

The playerbase wins by getting a "new" faction. Developers win by both being able to finish the unfinished content and just copying someone else's idea instead of having to waste time thinking up their own ideas. The company wins by getting more money. Everyone wins!

I know I'd submit an essay...although not about the Bloodsail.

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Moving on!

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13593960700&pageNo=4&sid=1#62

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I still fail to see your point other then that you have no life and wanted to waste 5 minutes of everyone's time with a pointless post. I would like to thank you though, I thought I didn't have life but I now know its more eventful then yours.

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This is a General Discussion thread on the patch. That doesn't mean you can berate other users.

So...

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13593960700&pageNo=4&sid=1#62

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That was an epic blue I'll give you that but isnt this your job to answer questions?

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No.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13593960700&pageNo=4&sid=1#62

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Guess that whole QA thing is false my apologies. Misconception.

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QA is about finding bugs and fixing issues with the games. Typically, if there's a problem, I'm the one asking the questions and hoping for an answer. Otherwise, gameplay questions, advice, or anything else isn't something I'm supposed to handle nor should a user expect to be answered by a blue on this forum.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13593960700&pageNo=4&sid=1#62

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I was beginning to think forums were useful. Thanks for clearing that up.

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This forum is very useful for us. You might find other forums, like General Discussion or others intended to be a community-centered discussion area more useful for the functions you have in mind.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13593960700&pageNo=4&sid=1#62

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We are in General Discussion am I right? You drinking on the job?

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No, we are not in the General Discussion Forum. Read what I said again very closely.

Also, my patience is beginning to run thin with you. Might be the username. I don't respond positively to passive-aggressive trolling.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13593960700&pageNo=4&sid=1#62

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You haven't done much to help out anyone, and everyone who proposes a problem you generally throw it in their faces.

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This is a blanket statement that can be disproved rather easily were you to see how things worked behind the scenes or took a look at any number of threads outside this one with a blue tag next to it on this forum and the Bug Report Forum.

Let's keep the conversation on 3.0.8 and issues with the patch. We've already strayed dangerously far into territory not fit for public forum discussion. I'm not saying that to dodge the issue.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13593960700&pageNo=4&sid=1#62

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This is actual feedback on one of the changes implemented in 3.0.8

It concerns the Death Knight Season 5 glove bonus change. While the former one (5 second off of the Strangulate Cooldown) was very underwhelming especially with Strangulate having a 2 minute cooldown, the new one (The Frost Rune used to cast Chains of Ice will become a Death Rune on activation) is also very underwhelming. I only say this because when the Death Rune 'activates' chances are it will be used for A) Chains of Ice again or B) Icy Touch, both of which would require a Frost rune in the first place. I believe it would be very rare to see the rune used for anything besides one of those two spells perhaps a Blood or Heart Strike if the Death Knight is blood. Other than that, both unholy and frost Death Knights use Frost and Unholy runes as their primary damage and the Death Rune would be used as a Frost rune the majority of the time anyway.

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You should probably put Feedback in a separate thread, clearly labeled Feedback in the subject.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13593960700&pageNo=4&sid=1#62

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Things like that throw people for a curve, and they tend to call you on it. Believe me, having been in a fair share of debates myself; I could call people on a lot of things, especially on the forums...standard and blue posters alike.

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I try to be as correct as I can be when I write things, but the behavior you describe seems nitpicky and obsessive. We're humans here too and can make mistakes, like the one I made on Je'Tze's Bell. All I ask from any tester / customer is a certain level of respect and understanding of our position.

Outright hostility / aggressive posting over what we say tends to be viewed at varying levels of harshness by the people tasked with reading them.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13593960700&pageNo=4&sid=1#62

oh hay, sup guyz.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
My New Year's Resolution: More Thread Ownage.

I don't answer questions in this thread.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
My New Year's Resolution: More Thread Ownage.

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@ Maaven -
You know, you come across as very abrasive. I realize how frustrating it must be to deal with these users and all the qq they spew out on a daily basis, but you seem to really resent having to do some customer service, and make no attempt at hiding it. You seem to forget, we are the customers here. Without us, you would be programming a database at some insurance company or something equally dull. With all the money we are sending blizz, can't they afford to send you for some customer service training? Just because a customer is rude to you, doesn't mean it's ok for you to be rude back. If someone is that abusive, just don't help them or answer their question. It's that simple.

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As stated previously in this thread, please keep conversation in this thread specifically related to the patch. I've already discussed in previous threads about the expectations I have about people posting in this forum. To summarize, when you post here, you're volunteer testers, not customers. The Bug Report Forum is where customers (people who aren't volunteering their time to test and find issues in an unreleased WoW Client) should post.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
My New Year's Resolution: More Thread Ownage.

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When will the next patch build be up?

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We're shooting for this week but there are no guarantees.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
The views expressed here should not be taken seriously unless they are totally awesome.

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On another note...can we have any details about Icecrown Citadel loot please? =D

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If people keep asking questions like this, I'm just going to start macro'ing my facepalm.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
My Thread-Fu is strong.

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* Mirror of Truth now only proc from melee critical strike.

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You shouldn't trust third-party websites 100%.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
I'm a Shoop-er Star.

We'll see.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
Warcraft needs more choreographed dance sequences.

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good luck with getting an answer. could be tomorrow, could be 3 months from now.

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What was the point of that response?

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
Warcraft needs more choreographed dance sequences.

You should put bugs in individual threads on the forum, not in a discussion thread.

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Maaven
Blizzard QA
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Shhh, Shoopie is sleeping. He's had a busy day!