http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/ World of Raids Blue Tracker en http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767191897-why-does-eviscerate-hit-like-a-pillow.html http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767191897-why-does-eviscerate-hit-like-a-pillow.html Ghostcrawler : Overall, we think rogues do too much passive damage -- autoattacks + poison. We want to shift more of that towards their specials, which will let both the finishers and the generators hit harder while keeping sustained damage about the same. It might mean less-skilled rogues do less damage by comparison, but that's not really a bad thing. ...]]> DPS Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:14:44 +0000 http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767539635-bm-hunters-still-need-help.html http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767539635-bm-hunters-still-need-help.html Ghostcrawler : Quote: It's also a flaw in logic to say 'even if you were MM there's some other hunter that would be better than you as MM' because what if you were talking to the strawman hunter that's supposedly better? Are they better than themselves? Terrible argument. The real argument is how much DPS that awesome hunter puts out when they respec. ...]]> DPS Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:27:04 +0000 http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767539635-bm-hunters-still-need-help.html http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767539635-bm-hunters-still-need-help.html Ghostcrawler : Quote: Ghostcrawler: Note that even in the spreadsheet data you're using, BM is behind MM by 10%, which is nowhere near your stated goal of getting them in ballpark of 1% or so if possible. (you mention that 1% a lot in your posts.) That's not actually a goal, or a realistic one anyway. I drop that 1% number a lot because it seems sometimes that'...]]> DPS Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:17:12 +0000 http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767539635-bm-hunters-still-need-help.html http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767539635-bm-hunters-still-need-help.html Ghostcrawler : Quote: Every spreadsheet model, every raid parse, and even some very sophisticated tests of BM DPS by folks like Frostheim ALL consistently point to a MASSSIVE discrepency in DPS in a raid context. Using something like Shandara's dps spreadsheets in 3.3.3, yields something like 15,000 for Marks, and 13,500 for Survival and BM. BM may be slightly ...]]> DPS Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:44:49 +0000 http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767539635-bm-hunters-still-need-help.html http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767539635-bm-hunters-still-need-help.html Ghostcrawler : Quote: I do have a few questions in regards to the BM hunter changes on Fero. Inspire. Ghostcrawler or other PTR player can answer this... Currently FI gives a 3% dps increase & 9% arcane shot dps increase - this is based on a pet critical hit proc. How will the changes of 3.3.3 affect this? 1. Its now an aura - does the aura still based on...]]> DPS Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:12:08 +0000 http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767539635-bm-hunters-still-need-help.html http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767539635-bm-hunters-still-need-help.html Ghostcrawler : Quote: Yes you do have to be careful with numbers like that . The issue is though that we're seeing numbers like this across the board. BM is 10% behind Survival which is then 10% behind Marks. Now with the FI change BM should be 7-8% behind Survival and 17-18% behind Marks. Thats still too much of a gap in my opinion. So what are you saying abo...]]> DPS Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:04:09 +0000 http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767539635-bm-hunters-still-need-help.html http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767539635-bm-hunters-still-need-help.html Ghostcrawler : Quote: He didn't. How did you get there from "occasional non-tank who gems a little stamina"? He didn't say that it happened a lot, or even that it happens in ICC. He was just making a general observation about player behavior and how it impacts their design. You both agreed that dps players don't care about survivability stats in PvE (although the...]]> DPS Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:55:07 +0000 http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767539635-bm-hunters-still-need-help.html http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767539635-bm-hunters-still-need-help.html Ghostcrawler : Quote: Let me introduce to you the arcane mage. That is all. Players like to wave this banner, but it's just not true. If all you do is look at their damage logs, yes, a lot of damage comes from Arcane Blast and Arcane Missiles. Does that mean any Arcane mage can faceroll his way to 12,000 dps? Hardly. The good mages have a lot of things to man...]]> DPS Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:51:14 +0000 http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767539635-bm-hunters-still-need-help.html http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767539635-bm-hunters-still-need-help.html Ghostcrawler : Quote: #1 MM - 13234 dps #200 MM - 11630 dps #1 SV - 11596 dps #200 SV - 10451 dps # 1 BM - 10432 dps #200 BM - 7577 dps So what's very interesting about this is the bottom of the top dps for each spec is roughly about the same level as the top of the next spec. Even taking into account the selection bias, that's a pretty big gap. You hav...]]> DPS Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:31:50 +0000 http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767539635-bm-hunters-still-need-help.html http://www.worldofraids.com/wow-blue-tracker/us-forums/23767539635-bm-hunters-still-need-help.html Ghostcrawler : Quote: This said by GC earlier so I guess mentioning calculators and spreadsheets isnt going to help the discussion. I thought a lot of the input GC and the others get are from a lot of the theorycrafters that make these spreadsheets? Maybe I'm wrong. Spreadsheets and simulations are awesome and some of them have become quite sophisticated. There...]]> DPS Fri, 19 Mar 2010 09:27:19 +0000