[Icelander]

Ok by the looks of it ppl seam to be split in half. Disliking the game and WOTLK as it is no chalange anymore and the other half who like the change as it provides the casual player more opertunetys in end game raiding.

Well im just a normal person i work 9 hours a day and im loging in around 19:15 game time and i play to 00:00 sometimes litle later. That is something i would call casual play time.
My guild raided 4 days a week and you haev to show up for 3 of them. Or rading progress was 4 bosses in Bt. I are just the normal avreage raiding guild, not hardcore but not slacking.
I tell you this as i think im speaking for the casual player. if you play less than that you cant expect geting futher in the end game raiding. Guys lets face it the game musth have some chalenge in it. Im not 80 yet but what i have seen of the game i really dont like. I went to an instance few days ago as lvl 72. Then tank i was with was also lvl 72 and the mobs were 76 and was red to us. We had no cc so he had to tank them up to 4 at a time. In tbc if tank would have run in group of 4 mobs who are elite and 4 lvls higher than him he would be dead before the healers could even think of healing. But he manaeg to tank the whole instance without a problem and the healer told us that it had not been healing intense.
What kind of joke is this guys?
Lets face it its an online game and to be good at it you should have to put some commitment to it. I agree that Wotlk should have more options for ppl who like to log on on and off but to drop the difficoulty of the whole game is just wrong. Ppl who log on maybe 3 times a week cant expect that blizz drop the game so massivly so they can explore all the game. It will mean all hardcore guilds and not even harcore, just guilds with litle sence and commitment will run through this in short time.

Im all for giving the casual players who have familys and working long hours a bit more option in the game. But take this game and compleatly turn him upside down in difficoulty making it a no chalange for alot of players is wrong.
Even though i can only play around 4 hours a day and did not even reach Sunwell in TBc i fully agree that there should be instances in end game wich you can only reach by commiting and fully detication. Im not talking about Nihilu style but like most raiding guilds do. Many guilds raid 4 times a week for 4 hours and reach Sunwell. But for that you need skilled and commited players.

To summon up.
I dont think ppl who log on once and a while have the right to complain about nott seeing all of the game. I do though feel more option should be fore casual players. But in high endgame raiding only the best should reach the last instances. The chalance of fighting a new boss and down him is the rush we seek. If you make it to easy you take the rush and the fun will eventually be lost.

Sry for the bad spelling i know many of you get irretaided because of spelling errors but english is not so good. But i hope ppl know what i mean with this post.
Enjoy your day.
Regards from Iceland

[Melenie]

thanks icelander, one of the few worthy posts (beside my own ofcourse^^) as i said in my own posts aswell as you said, someone that doesnt have time or choose not to put down so much time in it, they cant except to see everything either.

very nicely written ice=)

[jsnock]

That is pretty amazing, but really if you took into account the months and months of prep, farming and practice these guys had to put in, it's not really suprising. 90% of players won't see the end of Naxx for months, plenty of time for them to get the next raid zone implemented. It is sort of suprising they didn't do the usual overkill at the outset then nerf so the rest of players can see the end game stuff. Oh well doesn't affect me in any way shape or form.

[Wusho]

U mean to tell me they cleared all 10 and 25 man raid content 2 days after the expansion hit sorrry but i call BS as its tuff for any guild to even clear all of naxx in 1 night even tho they both have former raid experience in there they had it at lvl 60 with 40 ppl not lvl 80 with 10 sorry i dont believe it i want screenshots of arathas's body then ill believe it

[Wusho]

ok so we know they cleared naxx have they cleared The Obsidian Sanctum 10 and 25 man and have they cleared Icrown Citadel 10 and 25 man content i highly doubt that even the 2 best guilds in theg ame merged cant simply walk into this place and full clear without any former raid experience in those instance just not gonnah appen u need to correct to to say they have cleared naxx and thats it they havent cl;eared anything else

[Kody]

Wusho said:

U mean to tell me they cleared all 10 and 25 man raid content 2 days after the expansion hit sorrry but i call BS as its tuff for any guild to even clear all of naxx in 1 night even tho they both have former raid experience in there they had it at lvl 60 with 40 ppl not lvl 80 with 10 sorry i dont believe it i want screenshots of arathas's body then ill believe it

All available content.

[Wusho]

sorry i call bullshit until i see a ss of his dead body and them over him i dont believe it sorry all content is not clear they just went in tonight and cleared obsidian sanctum get ur story straight

[Kody]

Wusho said:

sorry i call bullshit until i see a ss of his dead body and them over him i dont believe it sorry all content is not clear they just went in tonight and cleared obsidian sanctum get ur story straight

Uh, they already cleared Obsidian Sanctum last week.

[Wusho]

dude are u an idiot today is the 20th and in the screenshot u posted it says gained the achievement on the 21st ok it may be the 21st already in EU but not in america which means that they just recently clearedi t like last night dude think what u say before u say it plzz

[Wusho]

I dont see what everyones problem is saying the game isnt hard enough. I mean cmon guys we are talking about the best players in the 2 top guilds in this game that merged and cleared and u say ok the game isnt hard enough. What would u say if a guild of ppl they arent even sunwell experienced got together and did it then yeah it would be a huge accoplishment but we are talking about the best in this game atm. No i dont mean the best as in players are the best they are the best atm at working together and getting the job done. Ive played with thousands of ppl on this game just as all of u have an how can u label who the best is its a matter of opinion. Ive never played with nihilum or sk gaming so idk how good they are or arent. Although the ppl ive played with have proven themselves to me time and time again to be the best ive ever played with. How can u honestly define who is the best when u havent played with everyone who plays this game. Everyone seems to think kungen is the best warrior in the game ok so he is the MT of the first guild to kill this boss so what big deal. I can handle my own against the best of them out there its not rocket science trying to figure out how to talk i mean for crist sake its basically spamming 7-8 buttons over and over again and if ur smart u make macro's to make it that much easier. Far as tanking goes idk never did much of it never liked it much always stuck with dmg dealing because i did great dmg and i was good at it and thats what my guild wanted me as. Dont get me wrong ive tanked many encounter's as my warrior all the way threw BT. Anway wht im getting at is yes they completed it or so they say who cares get over it they had past experience in naxx they were in the beta so they knew what to expect and how to beat it they went into this expansion with experience in end game. I'm not suprised they did it and i say congratz to them on a job well done. That is all have a nice day and enjoy WoW

[Eulo]

Wusho said:

dude are u an idiot today is the 20th and in the screenshot u posted it says gained the achievement on the 21st ok it may be the 21st already in EU but not in america which means that they just recently clearedi t like last night dude think what u say before u say it plzz

It's you who really needs to be more careful. Clearing content is not the same as earning a bonus achievement that was supposed to take a couple months to get. The content was cleared last week. They earned an achievement tonight. Should probably look into understanding what you're talking about.

[Wusho]

likei said until i see a screenshot of his dead body i dont believe it

[Kody]

Wusho said:

dude are u an idiot today is the 20th and in the screenshot u posted it says gained the achievement on the 21st ok it may be the 21st already in EU but not in america which means that they just recently clearedi t like last night dude think what u say before u say it plzz

Don't push your luck -- these aren't the live forums. Read the article in the thread you're posting in before snapping at me.

Edit: And here's a screenshot: http://mirror2.futur...tharion25_s.jpg

[Melenie]

this whole topic was kinda made cause of the clearing and the response to it, so what we were discussing from the start was that ppl flame them for having no life when they clear the content and whine that its too easy.

then others came in and called the game easy without most likly even been there and cleared it, so to get back to the topic, ofcourse they have the right to whine, as i said in another reply, they pay for the game as everyone else so blizzard can make it fun for everyone, EVEN the hardcore ppl even if they are only 5-10% of a servers playerpool.

offtopic tho with the lowering of standard which it actually is compared to vanilla wow OR even tbc for that matter, casual people cant expect to log on for afew hours here and there and see the end content. Its like taking a parttime jobb expecting to get paid for full time.... effort = success... and its not like blizzard is low on cash to get enough ppl to actually do some MAJOR things, unless they shape up they are going to lose to the new mmorpgs that are popping up sooner or later, WAR is still in alot of patching need but still alot better then wow on many points, WoW still wins for me cause of all the friends tho:P but if blizzard doesnt give us abit of challange for all the money we spent, who knows....

[Eveneven]

Icelander said:

Ok by the looks of it ppl seam to be split in half. Disliking the game and WOTLK as it is no chalange anymore and the other half who like the change as it provides the casual player more opertunetys in end game raiding.

Well im just a normal person i work 9 hours a day and im loging in around 19:15 game time and i play to 00:00 sometimes litle later. That is something i would call casual play time.

LOL! You think that playing five hours a day is casual? You're in for a big surprise. You're addicted to this game and you don't even realize it. You are as hardcore as it can get for someone who works.

According to wowprogress, only 0.21% of the guilds killed Malygos. That's far from the "OMFG! Casuals now can easily clear the raid content"whining. Most hardcore raiders seem to have completely lost the grip on reality.