[WoRBot]

Ashbringer, Ulduar, Icecrown Citadel, Arthas, Dance Studios... and even more?! Oh my!Read More

[Mordiceius]

I'm guessing that 3.2 "surprise" raid will be Azjol'nerub and we'll encounter Yogg-Saron. They obviously want Arthas to be the final boss so that means we'll have to encounter Yogg-Saron before that.

[Hojew]

Am I the only one that feels that Tom and Jeff are largely useless and only fulfilling token roles at this stage in the franchise? I mean, sure, there's the pretentious public face they put up, but they can't be worth more than their weight in lead to Blizzard. Just read any of their long-winded and repetitive sentence run-ons that are passed off as "blue posts". They seem grossly out of touch with the community and perhaps gaming in general. We're not playing Everquest or Ultima Online anymore.

[Ideon]

i find it interesting that blizzard has such a numerous amount of employees that they can dispatch them to work as in-game helpers, wotlk designers, ptr resigners, 3.1 designers, 3.2 designers, 3.3 designers AND for the expansion after wotlk...

anyway, as things have gone in tbc 3.3 is probably gonna be released somewhere next year, like the ZA patch but nonetheless i could be wrong, as if they release it to early end-game people will get extremely bored and quit wow 'till the next expansion, like now :>

[Jonny]

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unfortunately weren't allowed into any of the development area as the World of Warcraft team is already working on something new.

Probably being the next panicked 3.0 push as you are propelled onwards by the torrent of bullshit from Kaplan et. al. ¬_¬

[Mpaxalomad]

Why you didnt ask anything about Paid Character Customization? I think is something that ppl is wondering more than the dance studio. Apart from that good job for giving us such information

[Kody]

Mpaxalomad said:

Why you didnt ask anything about Paid Character Customization? I think is something that ppl is wondering more than the dance studio. Apart from that good job for giving us such information

It honestly didn't pop into my head. ;/

This didn't really start out as a Q&A, but as more and more people started sitting down around the table it turned into that, heh.

[damaniac82]

Dance studio... o_O I'm hearing about that for the first time and i wonder what did the designers smoke when they come up with that... If they have sooo much bored employes, then go and implement heroic version of the classis instances, finish Grim Batol, Uldum or whatever - in general do something useful! Or just simply more BG maps...

The game is becoming the World of Casualcraft... already having like a gazillion mounts, vanity pets, that idiotic Valentine seasonal thing, pink dresses, tuxedos, virtual marriages, whatever... o_O Hell, some idiot RPer chick once wanted me to get laid virtually... rofl.

I consider myself a semi-raider and it may sound ackward, but i say: "Hey! Casuals! Get a life!" Dance studio? Laughing my ass off... If i want to dance, i just go out with my GF and friends...

/rant

[enRchi]

damaniac82 said:

Dance studio... o_O I'm hearing about that for the first time and i wonder what did the designers smoke when they come up with that... If they have sooo much bored employes, then go and implement heroic version of the classis instances, finish Grim Batol, Uldum or whatever - in general do something useful! Or just simply more BG maps...

The game is becoming the World of Casualcraft... already having like a gazillion mounts, vanity pets, that idiotic Valentine seasonal thing, pink dresses, tuxedos, virtual marriages, whatever... o_O Hell, some idiot RPer chick once wanted me to get laid virtually... rofl.

I consider myself a semi-raider and it may sound ackward, but i say: "Hey! Casuals! Get a life!" Dance studio? Laughing my ass off... If i want to dance, i just go out with my GF and friends...

/rant

it sounds more like YOU are the casual player...

[MasterLoco]

Ideon said:

i find it interesting that blizzard has such a numerous amount of employees that they can dispatch them to work as in-game helpers, wotlk designers, ptr resigners, 3.1 designers, 3.2 designers, 3.3 designers AND for the expansion after wotlk...

anyway, as things have gone in tbc 3.3 is probably gonna be released somewhere next year, like the ZA patch but nonetheless i could be wrong, as if they release it to early end-game people will get extremely bored and quit wow 'till the next expansion, like now :>

If they keep us sitting around 10 months mid-expansion again like they did with Black Temple even more people will quit. They might be able to pull that stunt of once, I don't think people will be to happy if they try that again. They probably released Sunwell at the right moment. Ofcourse the hardcore guilds have been farming Sunwell for months again now but there's still only 350ish guilds that killed Kil'jaeden at this moment in time. That's at least way more then the number of guilds that killed Kel'thuzad pre-TBC but yeah... they obviously want to give a bit more people the chance to see all of the raid content in this game.

No words for stupid crap like a dance studio thou... I mean a barber is cool to change the appearance of your char every once in a while. But a dance studio? The way I read it they are going to waste tons of time on this silly project. Time they should be investing in designing additional raid content or an extra battleground. I mean we are getting 1 new BG... WTF?

WSG/AV got implemented at the start of the summer of 2005, like 3 months later they already came up with AB. Then we had to wait for over a year to get something new... now we've been waiting for nearly 2 years and we get 1 BG? >.> I don't understand how they fail to see that battlegrouds are by far one of the most boring things to do in this game atm & instead they choose to waste their time on stupid crap like dance studio's instead of trying to make it more enjoyable to do some Battlegrounds again.

[elitenls]

Kaplan is a figurehead. He's doing what he's supposed to be doing -- trying to get people excited about Blizzard's products. *shrug* I don't care about dances though -- I only /dance when I'm naked in the Arena farming points.

damaniac82 said:

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When someone finally tells me what's wrong with the first (as far as I see it) hugely successful MMO trying to cater to three major groups (hardcore, semi-hardcore, and casual) while still being the biggest, most expansive, highly rated, and easily accessible game of it's nature -- then, then my friend, I will give a f*ck about the idiots that use the term casual in reference to being bad -- which is what you're doing right now.

Until that time; you transfer your Tauren Shaman to my server. Go ahead. I play tops 8 hours a week, don't raid, and couldn't care less about Arthas. I am casual. I will mop the floor with you about knowledge of the game, encounters, areas, NPCs, quest lines, or just in general PVP. Now or after 3.0.2. I will wipe the floor with you.

In before "lol@urrating" & "lol@urgear"
I switched to Ret from raiding Holy a couple of months ago -- and everything you see on me has been built since then. One of the many reasons I love the "Hybrids can do all three" arguments. Look at my shitty gear -- I have T5/T6 Holy gear. This is not equivelant for Ret. Also, don't comment on my Arena rating -- lol -- I do naked "points" arenas for two weeks, then remake the team for the free gear. Takes 20 minutes and I got a full Holy set out of it back when I still healed.

[rohirrim]

damaniac82 said:

Dance studio... o_O I'm hearing about that for the first time and i wonder what did the designers smoke when they come up with that...

Don't forget they are with Activision now... I bet it was their idea.


So will the Dance studio be played on 360 and in arcades?

[damaniac82]

enRchi said:

it sounds more like YOU are the casual player...

And you state this based on .... ?

[damaniac82]

rohirrim said:

Don't forget they are with Activision now... I bet it was their idea.

Activision guys stated that they won't be bugging Blizz with development "ideas"... :-/

Anyway it's no so good to see WoW becoming more and more cute and childish every day...

[rhorle]

Nerd rage over dances is funny. I bet most of the people that want bgs and raids instead would complain if blizz stopped creating fun things for the game. Creating these things has nothing what so ever to do with how you play the game. Dancing, emotes, pets, holidays, mounts have nothing to do with being casual or hardcore.

I love how some think the barbar shop is cool so you can change apperance every once in a while, but the dance studio is stupid when its the same exact concept applied to dances. World of warcraft has always been much more then simply queue a bg and form a raid group. Any game that just focuses on that would never be so succesful in todays market.

[icehunter]

Ideon said:

anyway, as things have gone in tbc 3.3 is probably gonna be released somewhere next year, like the ZA patch but nonetheless i could be wrong, as if they release it to early end-game people will get extremely bored and quit wow 'till the next expansion, like now :>

Are you nuts? Of course it will be next year. 3.1 in february, 3.2 in april and 3.3 in june.

But apart from that

"... but adding even a single dance animation for a race takes as much time as creating a new creature for the game. "

I wonder if Blizzard had just programmed a rather incompetent system in place. You have something like City of Heroes where the player can essentially chose among thousands of different characters, tall, short, thin, round, with wings or feathers or scales or spikes, robot arms etc, and they all get the animations, and they seem to add new all the time.

Wish we had a proper hug animation though.

[icehunter]

MasterLoco said:

WSG/AV got implemented at the start of the summer of 2005, like 3 months later they already came up with AB. Then we had to wait for over a year to get something new... now we've been waiting for nearly 2 years and we get 1 BG? >.> I don't understand how they fail to see that battlegrouds are by far one of the most boring things to do in this game atm & instead they choose to waste their time on stupid crap like dance studio's instead of trying to make it more enjoyable to do some Battlegrounds again.

They don't WANT to introduce more battlegrounds, they fear that it only means fewer people playing the individual battleground and thus longer queues.

But yes, they could and probably should retool some of the reward mechanics of the current battlegrounds.

[damaniac82]

elitenls said:

Until that time; you transfer your Tauren Shaman to my server. Go ahead. I play tops 8 hours a week, don't raid, and couldn't care less about Arthas. I am casual. I will mop the floor with you about knowledge of the game, encounters, areas, NPCs, quest lines, or just in general PVP. Now or after 3.0.2. I will wipe the floor with you.

Oh dear... Did i hurt the precious little fragile soul of another emoguy, who likes to pick flowers in Moonglade and to sing songs and dance with the oh-so-beautiful NE girlies, and yelling "BUR" all over Shat because some draenai chick /kiss-ed them? (Because i've been talking about idiots like these and it seems you took it on yourself - maybe you are one of them?)

Remember son: it's World of W.A.R.craft after all... but wait? People are making love not WAR? People are scared to death because there will be a PvP area even on non-pvp realms or because the ally king will declare war once again. WTF? Come on! It's already ridiculous that mighty warriors, sneaky rogues and evil warlocks are doing a tourist guy job for orphans, chasing Cupid or whatever, dating and dancing around and acting like teenagers, while all NPCs are keep talking about the Legion, the Scourge, etc... Do you think these cutesy things really fit a war-filled world? o_O

Anyway, i don't really care of your kind, feel free to keep on cybering 8 hours per week... i just pray for Blizz not to make the game more and more cute and stupid!

[elitenls]

Keeping the RP in the MMORPG isn't "cute and childish", it's expansive and immersive dude. Go play one of the failboat MMOs and see why it failed: horrible pvp, horrible endgame, horrible social interactivity, horrible design, lack of content. Blizzard has gotten each of these right -- which is why they boast 10 million plus and the closest any game has ever come to that is 5 million (spread over PCs and PS2s).

[icehunter]

damaniac82 said:

" Originally Posted by enRchi View Post
it sounds more like YOU are the casual player..."
And you state this based on .... ?

He state that based on reading what you wrote.