[ryguy]

Deployed said:

I don't think Blizzard have got it right in this expansion, the T9 decision was poor for example, but I'm not losing sleep over it and it certainly isn't stopping me from playing, and I do think it's going in the right direction.

It was a great decision actually, which was implemented successfully. Blizzard wanted to try something different, new, and fresh. So they developed, tested, and deployed. They are successful because your account is still active!

[morgaur]

Definitely looking forward to this, for lore-ish reasons (though the gear helps ). I figure the Lich King will escape once players get him to a certain %, but I wonder if something will happen to Jaina / Sylvanas during the fight.

[Alk3Crimson]

Cappifoo said:

Warglaives........new expansion.....replaced. (pretty much)


Algalon Gear.........1 month.......70+ ilvls higher....w/o a new expansion. hardly comparable.

Warglaives also dropped off the second to last raid boss in TBC. Algalon is arguably the first "hard" boss in Wrath. Of course his drops are going to be replaced before the next expansion. That's like crying that your Bloodmaw Magus-Blade off Gruul got replaced by Sunflare off Kil'Jaeden.

[Brozenhammer]

I imagine it will be more of a survival fight vs Arthas. Like survive 5 minutes fighting the lich king or something and chest reward afterwards.

[Kody]

Hrm. The closing sentence really makes me wonder if we're going to see the deaths of Sylvanas and Jaina in Icecrown. Or at least, their souls being taken and used as raid bosses by the Lich King in the IC raid.

[Leviathonlx]

I doubt that considering Sylvanas declares war on Gilneas after the Cataclysm but maybe something will happen to Jaina considering we have heard nothing about her in the next expansion. The Alliance movements in the Barrens and burning of Camp Taraujo really make it look like Theramore is being used as a staging point for Varians forces which seems unlikely to happen if she is alive or in any position of power.

This post has been edited by Leviathonlx: 30 September 2009 - 04:39 PM

[Geschan]

koenigsegg said:

I'm curious if it will be unique or not. TG love ftw.

You bet, it will. Imagine all the Whine in Forums as 'I got raped by two Oranges.. nerf pls qq'

[Deployed]

ryguy said:

It was a great decision actually, which was implemented successfully. Blizzard wanted to try something different, new, and fresh. So they developed, tested, and deployed. They are successful because your account is still active!

Careful, you don't actually know what my objections to T9 actually are. I don't have a problem with the design approach for example. I was one of the very few players defending the "All cloth looks like this, all leather looks like this, etc" approach by pointing out that it had been done before with the AQ40 raid.

No, my gripe with T9 isn't the looks, or even the way it's obtained (I personally see that as a very smart change). It's very slightly to do with the bonuses (basically, the bonuses should've been designed to give an edge in Icecrown over Ulduar's sets without actually being significantly better than Ulduar's sets), but the main issue was that it's called T9.

The previous Raid Tier sets were all very class specific. Design and bonuses. The exception is the aforementioned AQ40 sets, which were not labelled as Tier sets because they didn't have class specific designs.

The current T9 items are Army items, and that's how they should've been treated. One of the bonuses of most items should've been to either increase damage against enemies in ICC, or to protect players from something that will be specific to the Raid. That way the gear would've matched the purpose of the Coliseum (getting people ready for ICC), and leaving the third Tier gear of this expansion as being a reward from ICC (3 tiers in vanilla, 3 tiers in TBC. WotLK doesn't need 4 tiers).

Regarding "my" account, it's active because of who I play with, which is the only reason I have ever raided. To this day, I have never owned a full tier set. Not even the first dungeon set. It's not what drives me to play this game. Hence what I said in the rest of that post you just quoted.

This post has been edited by Deployed: 30 September 2009 - 04:47 PM

[Leviathonlx]

Deployed said:

The current T9 items are Army items, and that's how they should've been treated. One of the bonuses of most items should've been to either increase damage against enemies in ICC, or to protect players from something that will be specific to the Raid. That way the gear would've matched the purpose of the Coliseum (getting people ready for ICC), and leaving the third Tier gear of this expansion as being a reward from ICC (3tiers in vanilla, 3 tiers in TBC. WotLK doesn't need 4 tiers).

Bonuses like that would of made the items superior to items that drop in the instance and would of created the awkward position of taking off your new gear and putting on your lower ilvl gear which would of been awkward.

If WotLK having 4 tiers bothers you then you can call the ToC sets T8.5 in your head and call the ICC set T9. In the end it is nothing but a label for the sets used by the playerbase and rarely by Blizzard.

This post has been edited by Leviathonlx: 30 September 2009 - 04:43 PM

[Deployed]

Geschan said:

You bet, it will. Imagine all the Whine in Forums as 'I got raped by two Oranges.. nerf pls qq'

Before anyone contest this, the Warglaives were Legendary as a set, not individually. Colour isn't everything.

[Backlite]

For most of this expansion I have been with most people in thinking (though not really complaining) that the end game content was very poor. Ulduar showed flashes of brilliance but Naxx and ToC were a pretty big flop. ToC though does seem to be setting the lore up for ICC.

I'm now starting to see why that is. To be honest this entire expansion has been setting up for a pretty epic story, much the way BC failed to do. So if the raid is anything like the 5 man looks in quality then we are all in for a real treat. This raid could save the expansion imo. I'm really curious why they are having the Lich King in the 5 man though (perhaps it's because they wanted everyone to have a piece of him even if they couldn't raid).

Now if Cataclysm can combine the End game content start to finish of BC with story-telling and epic feel of Wotlk then it would be the perfect expansion. Here's hoping it is just that.

[Kody]

What I posted on the Curse.com article about this:

Around 80% of subscribers only do 5-player content (granted 20% of 11.5 million+ is a lot of people), so the goal is to allow all players to experience -- at least in some form -- the epicness of fighting the Lich King.

When you think about it, that makes a lot of sense from a game design perspective when creating something this epic. Arthas is a major character in the franchise's history, so they want as many people to experience that as possible.

Does it mean people will actually kill him in the 5-player instance? Probably not, similar to Mal'ganis in Caverns of Time (granted he didn't die in WC3 so that's why).

[Hybr1d]

Cappifoo said:

Warglaives........new expansion.....replaced. (pretty much)


Algalon Gear.........1 month.......50+ ilvls higher....w/o a new expansion. hardly comparable.

Warglaives were replaced in Sunwell.

Algalon loot, not legendary but just another hardmode (so be happy he drops higher ilevel!), also ~1 month. I don't see your problem? Isn't Algalon ilevel245, and thus equal to 10man hards and 25man normals from ToGC, while Naxx25' 213s got replaced by Ul10' 219s!

I quit raiding in ToGC as well, but not 'cause of WoW. I would love the new 5-mans to be somewhat more challenging though, as I do agree with you that ToC drops too shiny loot for too easy an encounter.

I am very excited about the lore! I think we will find Arthas and fight him, maybe somewhat weakened but not extremely. Do not forget you have a hero at your side yourself! For all we know, Sylvanas is once again going to be trapped in banshee form (now that we're changing faction leaders and all that) and Jaina kicks some sense into Arthas, taking him prisoner somehow, or bringing his inner self up again. This could leave Ner'zhul, who might break free, as the final? Maybe he possesses Muradin instead! Or he comes and saves your ass!! We will see, I for one look forward to it.

[adrenalize]

Cappifoo said:

If the heroic 5 man is as easy as the Heroic Toc 5 man....and drops 232......I will not be able to see through the endless amounts of welfare to get to the scrub under it while pugging raids.

Thanks Blizz.

Glad I could spend hours upon hours upon hours of Ulduar 25 hardmodes, Algalon 25 kills, to get gear replaced by a 5 man

Oh yah. Thats why I quit raiding after ToC came out. Never mind. thanks again

You REALLY should get out more.

The game has moved on with the Majority of the player base to give more people an oppurtunity to gain some sense of Acivement from it. Not that you really care about that. All you see are "OMG LEWTS".

If you can't accept that, then fine, but understand that by putting the 5 mans and a decent level of gear in there, they are opening up the opurtunity to make the ICC raid Much Harder as they can balance it around a gear level that is far more obtainable(i.e 232 for the normal mode, 245+ for the heroic modes)

[Chrono]

The Frozen Halls was only a setback!

[Huntresa]

Hybr1d said:

Warglaives were replaced in Sunwell.

Algalon loot, not legendary but just another hardmode (so be happy he drops higher ilevel!), also ~1 month. I don't see your problem? Isn't Algalon ilevel245, and thus equal to 10man hards and 25man normals from ToGC, while Naxx25' 213s got replaced by Ul10' 219s!

Algalon loot is actually 226 10 man and 239 on 25 man

[Magican]

I think there is a raid coming. too.
Just think, we are missing so many things that Blizz added with WotLK.
Sindragosa is still there (and if she has to stay in the Login Screen until the end of all time, I think that would be a wasted raid boss). Mal'Ganis is still out there, after controlling the Scarlet Crusade. Muradin was also going to kill Arthas and I don't think he has randomly vanished.

Also, there is Tragg Highmountain (or what was his name? The Tauren from the Sunwell Comic, running around at the Argent Coloseum).

And anyway, after that much argent presence in Northrend, killing Arthas without Tirion, Mograine and the Ashbringer just wouldn't feel right.

Maybe we get a Patch 3.4, where Arthas invades Kalimdor/Azeroth.
Because, you know. Icecrown was merely a setback.

[mmaker]

HAHA, killing one of the greatest persons in wows lore with 5 people, thats the stupidiest thing ever. So glad i dont play this shit game anymore.

[Brakkyn]

mmaker said:

HAHA, killing one of the greatest persons in wows lore with 5 people, thats the stupidiest thing ever. So glad i dont play this shit game anymore.

You're making an assumption, which I don't think is correct.

I, for one, look forward to these new instances.

[adrenalize]

mmaker said:

HAHA, killing one of the greatest persons in wows lore with 5 people, thats the stupidiest thing ever. So glad i dont play this shit game anymore.

And yet, here you are, trolling a WoW forum.

Well played sir, you win at life.