[WoRBot]

Upcoming Arena 2v2 Bracket Changes

Quote from: Bornakk (Source)

After further consideration, and after hearing from many players, we are going to change how we approach the 2 vs. 2 arena bracket in Arena Season 7. We still think the 3 vs. 3 and 5 vs. 5 brackets will ultimately offer the best play experience, especially for very competitive gamers for whom game class balance issues are most noticeable. However, we recognize that many players just prefer to play in the 2 vs. 2 bracket and will miss the chance to earn the current season's gear. Therefore, we are going to still allow the 2 vs. 2 bracket to grant access to the current season of gear with three important exceptions: the current season's weapons will not be available for purchase, the current season’s shoulder armor will not be available for purchase, and players will not qualify for the Gladiator title/rewards unless you earn the appropriate rating in the 3 vs. 3 or 5 vs. 5 bracket. We look forward to the changes in the next major content patch and hope to have a great next Arena Season.

[komorie]

good change thank you blizzard though gladiator will get alot harder now i think they should maybe still allow #1 gladiator title for 2v2 so it leaves a little bit of a challenge

[Jaymz]

Why don't they include a time time penalty in arena? Something like

- After 5 minutes of combat, healers are losing 20% of their max. mana every minute (similar to Reliqary of Souls from BT). Don't know how about other mana classes like mages/locks but this would sort out the long fights.

Forcing people into "broken" Arena brackets isn't a good solution. What will happen, if a combo of 3x DK and 2x Paladin becomes the "ultimate faceroll" combo in 5v5? How fast will they react? Will it last the whole season? No thanks

[Calamario]

Registered just so I could say:

F U Blizzard, thanks for ruining casual arena and FORCING me to find a reliable person for a 3v3 that has time to play, happens to fit optimal class setup X and star constellation Y. F U

[Flayne]

Calamario said:

Registered just so I could say:

F U Blizzard, thanks for ruining casual arena and FORCING me to find a reliable person for a 3v3 that has time to play, happens to fit optimal class setup X and star constellation Y. F U

You're complaining they gave you access to 4 of 5 current season pieces back? Complaints would be more appropriate when they originally announced the exclusion of 2v2s not when they decided to be more lenient about it.

[Cappifoo]

Calamario said:

Registered just so I could say:

F U Blizzard, thanks for ruining casual arena and FORCING me to find a reliable person for a 3v3 that has time to play, happens to fit optimal class setup X and star constellation Y. F U

Couldn't have been said any better.


I don't feel the new resil changes will stop 3's from being a gibb fest. And 5's will always have this mentality. 5's is reasonably unplayable because, seriously all it is, is having 3-4 dps, focus one person, and it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep someone up. With the combinations of each class, it is also nearly impossible to do the things required to stay alive like you would have to in 2's or 3's with the amount of cc, ms, and dmg flying around.


I can safely say, I will never play 5's. I can assure you, most people have this feeling. And now it SUCKS that im gonna get pigeon holed into 3's. Didn't blizz say something about not wanting to pigeonhole people into certan class specs.....hmm. They finally make a change to help out non-casuals, and it's the part of arena most people are interested, casuals or not.

[Remm]

I think I must be missing something... why are you saying that you have to do 3v3 now when the blue post was all about making 2v2 more attractive than it was? Isn't it that you had to do 3v3 before and now you can get gear through 2v2?

[Ryanb]

I've been saying for years that they should remove 2v2 and replace it with 4v4. It's well known that 3v3 and 5v5 offer far more variety in compositions.


Blizzard has just done a really good job of ruining arena - it's only gotten worse every season since Season 3.

[Geschan]

This change sucks.

On the other hand, if blizz stops designing this game aroung 2v2 arena.. ill be a happy panda!

[Cappifoo]

Remm said:

I think I must be missing something... why are you saying that you have to do 3v3 now when the blue post was all about making 2v2 more attractive than it was? Isn't it that you had to do 3v3 before and now you can get gear through 2v2?

No shoulders, no weapons, no gladiator.


The last 2 are kinda what you are aiming for while doing arena. So unless I get gladiator this season for 2's, im getting pigeonholed into 3's.

Ryanb said:

I've been saying for years that they should remove 2v2 and replace it with 4v4. It's well known that 3v3 and 5v5 offer far more variety in compositions.


Blizzard has just done a really good job of ruining arena - it's only gotten worse every season since Season 3.

hmmm.....

3's = rmp, cleave


5's = any 4 dps and a druid to stealth/cyclone while the 4 dps blow the shit out of 1 person



Soooo many comps to choose from

This post has been edited by Cappifoo: 03 July 2009 - 01:37 PM

[Kody]

It's an interesting change. I'd have to say it's the middle ground between what they originally intended to do and what players would like. 2v2 is the hardest to balance properly, so it's no surprise that many use it as a means for gearing up quicker than other brackets simply due to the power of some compositions.

[Cappifoo]

Kody said:

It's an interesting change. I'd have to say it's the middle ground between what they originally intended to do and what players would like. 2v2 is the hardest to balance properly, so it's no surprise that many use it as a means for gearing up quicker than other brackets simply due to the power of some compositions.

Yah, it definetly is the middle ground. But I think the change, in the way they are doing it, is bad in general. There should be a higher 2's rating requirement for gear or something. Not just saying "you can't get this if you only play 2's"


Its completly cutting out part of a game because of "balancing issues".

Why not take out warsong because druids can carry flags in travel form?

I think it is just too drastic for people who generally, only play 2's because it's difficult to be on enough to make sure you're on at the same time as 2 others or even 4 other people.

And when people say there are more comps or choices to play in 3's, you have never been too far into the ratings, because top teams tend to not differ much.

Sure, at 1300 rating, I bet you will even find some 3 boomkin teams, or triple prot pally teams, but once you get up towards/past 2k, there isnt much difference

[Kody]

Cappifoo said:

Yah, it definetly is the middle ground. But I think the change, in the way they are doing it, is bad in general. There should be a higher 2's rating requirement for gear or something. Not just saying "you can't get this if you only play 2's"

Not a bad idea, assuming it wouldn't be too difficult technically. Maybe 10-15% higher rating required if you try to buy with a 2v2 rating?

[zakayron]

they really should just get rid of 2s altogether because they will never be balanced

[Chrono]

Many do like to play 2v2 so that is not likely to happenn ;< I know it was basicly their first idea but many do like 2v2

[fotsvette]

These fixes are so simple that they aren't worth it.

Fix it for real or remove it and start all over.

[Treehunger]

I really only play for 2v2 arena 3v3 is ok but i do professions/farm simple to get better gear for 2v2 bracket arena.

Sadly if blizzard dosent do something about this im probly going to quit wow.
There goes over 500days /played

[Biteme]

Kody said:

Not a bad idea, assuming it wouldn't be too difficult technically. Maybe 10-15% higher rating required if you try to buy with a 2v2 rating?

It would still be pretty much the same. 2vs2 is all about your comp. and the classes that make it high on the ladder now, will be the same if you raise the rating requirements. For them it will still be just as easy as it is now to get the desired gear, it will just take like 2 weeks longer to get what they want.
Tbh. this change to the bracket isn't that bad. If you play arena seriously, (to get the t2 weaps/glad title) you will/should be able to make a 3vs3 team. It is only one more player to find, and as stated, if you are aiming for such high rating, you are serious enough to get a third person that will fill your team.
If you are a casual arena player, then you most likely reach the required ratings anyways, so this change should have a minimal impact to the game play.

This post has been edited by Biteme: 03 July 2009 - 04:45 PM

[Fyre~]

Calamario said:

Registered just so I could say:

F U Blizzard, thanks for ruining casual arena and FORCING me to find a reliable person for a 3v3 that has time to play, happens to fit optimal class setup X and star constellation Y. F U

as much as i hate current pvp, this is kinda how i feel, we are toys in blizzard's toy chest!

[Szilia]

Even though I'm having a good time in 2's with a friend, and we are doing ok, I'm still ok with this change, simply because there is a pretty big balance gap between 2's and 3's.
2' are being run by a few comps and fotm is quite easy to spot there.
I was quite sad that they wanted to completely keep us away from the new gear, but this change will let me work on that (should I have the rating with me 2's team), while trying to build up a solid 3's team with another friend of mine.