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Posted 17 March 2009 - 12:05 AM

New User Interface Updates

There's a new preview of some of the upcoming UI enhancements in 3.1, check it out.

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There are many new additions and changes coming in the near future for World of Warcraft. Alongside the hotly anticipated raid dungeon Ulduar, several new user interface features will be debuting, and we’ve put together a preview of them to let you know what to expect when the patch arrives.

Patch 3.1 PTR Ulduar damage analysis

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As another experiment, we are creating this thread for posting and analysis of PTR raid damage parses. If you don't understand what that means, you probably don't need to be posting in this thread.

I am going to be keeping a low profile in this thread. Please do not use it to ask questions or make demands. Please do not include any pre-3.1 numbers unless they are solely for comparative purposes. Please do not make definitive statements unsupported by data. Please do not derail the thread. We will try to delete off-topic responses.

For an example of what we would like to see, you can refer to the better parts of this thread:

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15661687838&sid=1&pageNo=29

Blue Posts

As a reminder, there's a video recap series of blue posts on YouTube.  They're a fantastic summary of more important posts made recently -- many of which are related to 3.1.  Take a look if you haven't, and please give the creator of the videos feedback!  For the recap below, there are quite a few interesting topics on Ulduar.

3.1 Downloader? (Source)

The Background Downloader starts downloading data for the next patch ahead of time. As you can see, patch 3.1 is a big patch, so when the patch launches you may only need to download an additional 100MB (yes, this number was pulled out of a hat) instead of the full thing to allow you to install and get in the game faster.

New 3.1 Cooking Recipes: Chef de Cuisine (Source)

All of the new recipes in 3.1 should should toward your recipe total.

Warsong Gulch Reputation Gains (Source)

There are no current plans to change how you gain reputation with Warsong Gulch.

Spirit As An Attribute (Source)

I do think it is a little odd that Spirit isn't value in and of itself (at least by some classes) but by what your talents can turn it into. It becomes this wild card stat. Similarly, either Spirit or mp5 always seems to win the race for best regen stat. I imagine before too long we'll take a hard look at the system overall.

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Why does the 10/25 paradigm exist? (Source)

We offer two levels of content because some players just like to raid in smaller groups. It also got pretty boring to run Karazhan every week after the 20th or 30th time.

Gear Consolidation: Is Blizzard happy? (Source)

We are pretty happy with it. There is plenty of room for improvement.

Even with gear consolidation, Ulduar probably has as many items as all of BCs raiding content put together. Even if you divide the number in half to account for 10 vs. 25 player content, Ulduar still has like twice as many items as Black Temple or Sunwell. Perhaps our design makes more sense in that context.

GC, your comments suggest the game is turning hardcore! (Source)

That isn’t our intent at all. Lich King’s first tier of raiding and all the heroic content is much easier than it was in Burning Crusade in order to make it more approachable for players not interested in hardcore raiding. I think there is a lot of focus on it because 3.1 brings a gigantic raid with it, however there is non-raid content too and not every patch will have those in the same skewed proportion.

Ulduar Hard Modes (Source)

Hard modes are designed to give very skilled groups something to do while still allowing more casual groups to see the content. Ulduar has 14 bosses. We haven't done an instance of that size since the original Naxxramas, and Ulduar has a lot more unique content than Naxx had. You are imagining a world in which if we had not done hard modes, you would have gotten another entire raid. That is a bad assumption. You would have gotten Ulduar, cleared it quickly, and then been bored again.

Yes, we know players given the choice will always want more content. If we offered 6 levels of raid content, there are still players who would clear it quickly and be looking for something new. Welcome to the challenges of MMO design. :)

Naxx / Ulduar Comparisons (Source)

They should not be running out of mana in Ulduar if they play well. In Naxx you can do things like stand in fires, overheal like mad, bring players in green gear to get geared up, or not even explain the fights to pugs because you can brute force your way through them. One the mechanics that allows you to brute force is having so much mana regen. Now all of that is appropriate for the first raid tier. Things will start to get a little more difficult now, and a lot more difficult if you want to do the hardest fights. Naxx = play bad and win. Ulduar = play good and win.

Ulduar's Challenge Level (Source)

It isn’t. We had to fix some problems, and very rapid mana regeneration was one of them. Another big one was amazing tank cooldowns (mostly from the DK). However we stepped up the difficulty on the encounters too. There is no “just burn him down” boss like Noth. The trash will require crowd control on some pulls. Ulduar is not Sunwell. It is not a huge leap up in difficulty from Naxx, but it is a step up. If that isn’t enough of a challenge for you, then I suggest you try the hard modes and pay a visit to Algalon.

Twilight Vanquisher / Of the Nightfall Titles and 3.1 (Source)

The current plan is to leave them in for players to obtain after 3.1 is released.

Content in Ulduar (Source)

Ulduar has a ton of bosses. While I'm sure some players would love for us to deliver an instance with that level of content every month or so (and throw in a 5-player run to boot!), it's not in the cards, at least not for the next couple of years.

Instead, what we tried to do with Ulduar is offer a lot of different ways to play the encounters. While the progress-oriented guilds may clear it quickly, we hope that some of the hard modes will offer them a lot to chew on. All of the players who are somewhere between barely being able to clear the instance and the "world first" crowd should be able to find a comfortable difficulty level as well.

The old model towards in game was a success, it brought you eleven million players! (Source)

Most of whom never had a chance to finish a raid. They didn't get to see some of the best art in the game, hear the unique music or voice over, or in many cases even see the villian at the end of their quest line. From a production POV, instances are very expensive. It seems an odd choice to lavish all that attention on such a tiny percent of the player base.

At the same time, we know there are players who love a challenge and are willing to do almost anything to beat a raid-destroying boss provided they also have a shot at the best loot. They don't want the instances to be over too soon. They like banging their head against the wall.

And so hard modes were born. We tested the water a little with Obsidian Sanctum. We're going full bore with Ulduar.

Wrath Tier 1 10/25 Difficulty (Source)

This is the first time we have offered parallel 10-player and 25-player content. We'll probably reflect on what worked and what didn't work. The intent was not necessarily to make the 10-player content more difficult, especially since we offer less powerful rewards for completing it. I would say the 10-player stuff was probably tuned correctly and the 25 stuff was too easy. But we'll see how Ulduar goes.

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Swipe's Range (Source)

The correct range for the new, 360 Swipe should be 8 yards. It appears to only be 5 in your version of the data.

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Spirit Improvements (Source)

I agree with that and think all of the discussion about whether mana should equal energy is a distraction.

I said that a proper benefit of Spirit to mages would be for it to affect dps. But I cautioned that you should not expect your dps to go up overnight because of this change. Perhaps I was being too cautious, but I know that at least some players are hoping to get free dps out of the deal. The problem we are trying to fix here is not "mage dps is too low." The problem we are trying to fix is "mage gear has spirit, which doesn't do much for them except for a small bit of in-combat mana regen."

If you think mage dps is too low, that is a separate topic, but we would still be unlikely to fix that by suddenly giving you 10 dps for every point of spirit on your gear.

Imp. Scorch / Winter's Chill Nerfs (Source)

All of that logic makes sense, and we might in fact convert Spirit to crit, except for your point 2. All casters lost 5% of crit with this change. So then you would only risk falling behind melee, but we have nerfed the melee damage of many specs.

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Seal of Martyr/Blood Self Damage and Raids (Source)

The fires typically do a lot more damage than Seal of Blood. What is the most you have ever been bled for on a Judgement crit? Maybe 10K? And that’s a crit. No offense, but your healers probably laugh at the kind of damage you are inflicting on yourself. The tank is getting hit for much more, much faster and the fires or big AE sprays generally do more. A stray PoM or CL can probably top you off. I know you don’t want to use Command, but if you’re sitting at 10% of your health or you know the dragon is about to breathe, it may be an attractive option until you get healed back up again. I know the self-damage is a concern of the paladins though, and we’ll keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn’t feel like too much of a liability in raids.

Design An Encounter Contest -- Winners

While 3.1 has taken up a bulk of everyone's time, we did have a little contest running up until right before the PTR went up.  The contest asked entrants to design a World of Warcraft encounter -- dungeon or raid -- and submit it to us.  Some entrants even went as far as laying out encounter maps, designing loot, and creating the lore behind the characters involved.  Suffice to say, we had over 150 entries and all we appreciate all of the participation for such a daunting challenge.

It's time to announce the winners, of which the community directly contributed to the selections; each will receive a BlizzCon 2008 goodie bag card that includes a BlizzCon Polar Bear Mount, as well as a beta key for StarCraft II.  Please congratulate the winners!

Wrath Sees Delays in China; The9 Faces Bankruptcy

While many of us are churning through the content of Wrath of the Lich King, anxiously awaiting Ulduar and everything else that patch 3.1 has to offer, a fair portion of the global playerbase hasn't even touched the expansion yet.  They haven't been able to experience the starting area for Death Knights -- and probably never will -- and now the company that publishes World of Warcraft in China -- The9 -- is facing bankruptcy.

You see, the Chinese government instituted policies to forbid negative content in video games and on the internet.  And, well, the entire basis for the Wrath of the Lich King expansion is something China has forced alteration of in the past -- the undead and the Scourge.  What this means for The9 is that they secured a license to publish the expansion, and thus far have failed to get it approved twice, including the most recent version that doesn't even have the Death Knight Hero class.  What's going to happen to The9 and Wrath of the Lich King in China is still up in the air, but one thing's for certain -- this will likely be a long process of iterating, if it's even worth it for Blizzard to go through the process.


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Posted 17 March 2009 - 01:23 AM

I wondered how well this xpack would play in China given their laws on undead type content. Apparently the answer is it doesn't.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 03:05 AM

Blizz should call it a day, let The9 get out of their mutual contract to help them with the bankrupcy problem, and make some snide remarks about censorship in China. With a little luck, that's enough to start an uprise of Chinese players that topples the government...
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 04:25 AM

WotLK without scourge and the undead? Well there are still the walrus-creatures and.. um. Cooking dailies?
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 04:52 AM

China...and we live in 2009. I know there are even worse countries politics than china. I think I need to be raised in china to understand why they aren't approving the game. :/

But, how come that vanilla WoW was ok with tons of scourges/undead and not LK? Or was Stratholme and Scholomance and Naxx closed on chinese servers? *confused*
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 05:11 AM

China is ridiculous. I feel for the people who actually have to live there.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 06:07 AM

Nath said:

Blizz should call it a day, let The9 get out of their mutual contract to help them with the bankrupcy problem, and make some snide remarks about censorship in China. With a little luck, that's enough to start an uprise of Chinese players that topples the government...
Well, one can dream


A large portion of Chinese players just are getting the Taiwanese version of the game which is contributing to The9's problems.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 06:10 AM

Poor The9 :(
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 06:26 AM

Leviathonlx said:

A large portion of Chinese players just are getting the Taiwanese version of the game which is contributing to The9's problems.


I heart about that, and it's good they circumvent stupid laws, but that won't change the opinions of the Chinese officials.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 06:58 AM

Those officials must lead a ronery life.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 07:54 AM

The fact that the Chinese, who had guilds that actually cleared through all content up through Illidan faster than any US/EU guild, cannot play WoW and rival with guilds like Ensidia is a big bummer.

roxsand said:

Those officials must lead a ronery life.


But that, my friend, was bloody amazing.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 08:15 AM

First of all, I am a Chinese so I guess I am at a better stand than most Americans to comment on CWoW situation.

Actually it had nothing to do with scourage and undead and shit like that. There are MMORPGs that are much worse than this in China, and they somehow got approved. Things like EQ, EQ2 and LotR were approved. Maybe you have less 'scourge and undead' in those games, but you know, skellies and ugly trolls are everywhere in those games.

The reason why WotLK was not approved is a result of many factors IMO.

1) Blizzard pushed the9 so hard when signing contracts. As far as I've heard, blizzard took the majority of the profit, leaving the9 at a fairly pathetic position. When you have 5-6M playerbase each paying something like 20 bucks every month for the last four years, you will not go bankrupt in three months if you run your company reasonably well. Apparently, Chinese government doesn't like that. They hate to see a foreign company taking a big slice off the MMORPG market (something like $3b last year) while not giving a shit to the country (which is what bliz has been doing). The ministry of culture has declared that if any foreign company is involved in a lawsuit in China, its game will be rejected, and that's what's happening between blizzard and the 9.

2) WoW is the target of all the angry parents of game addicts in China, because, as you know, it's popular. You can see at least 1 story every day on TV about how a poor kid quitted school and played wow all day long. It's funny sometimes because you could see on TV the kid was actually playing CS or War3, but who cares, everyone was blaming WoW. TBC got delayed for something like half a year because of the huge resistance the goverment met. This time, maybe the9 cannot make it thru!

Well, there could be other reasons, but I'll just stop here and go work now:(
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 09:18 AM

U.S.A free themselfs from England and make their own country.. now they shall rule da worldz and take as mutch as they can!!! RAWR!!

On a serious note.. i'd like to know more about how mutch China/The9 whatever gets from the deal With Blizzard.. i have no clue how mutch the should get or whatever but yeh.. going to bankrupsy so fast just doesn't make any sence o.O

Oh and.. plix no patch come, me must get Glory of da raider yaow! :P (i'm slow)
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 10:33 AM

martinwgc said:

As far as I've heard, blizzard took the majority of the profit
Hmm, I do think it's up to Blizzard to decide how much licensing their game should cost, it's not the duty of a government to regulate that, if The9 agreed to those terms. Hurting the economy... I think not letting this game be released causes much higher losses than having some "foreigners" do actual business with Chinese customers.
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 10:50 AM

If Wow gets the axe in china maybe we will finally get a presence from the Pandarans!
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Posted 17 March 2009 - 06:53 PM

I read somewhere long time ago, that the Chinese Govt, wanted the "Undead" taken out of the game. Due to some reason (Which I forgot, its been a few years). Because its either due to scaring children or some myth. I dont remember excatly.

But thats gotta suck.

I wish we got some of the cool pets and stuff, that the chinese get though. We never get anything cool.
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Posted 18 March 2009 - 05:14 AM

theres actually a chinese version of WoW where you dont see any bones on the undead player model...got a screenshot of it ill look for it and post it ;)


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Posted 18 March 2009 - 03:54 PM

china ftw! wait a second.... crap i messed that sentence up
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Posted 19 March 2009 - 10:14 AM

You gotta hand it to the Chinese. The undead look MUCH better in their version.
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Posted 19 March 2009 - 04:24 PM

roxsand said:

You gotta hand it to the Chinese. The undead look MUCH better in their version.


If it was just that which looks different, then yes, I'd prefer that look, too. The damaged arms of the robe look kinda weird, anyway.
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