Elemental Shaman Changes, Hunter/Warlock Arena Issues, Blue Posts

[WoRBot]

Ghostcrawler is looking to get a discussion going related to Hunter and Warlock arena issues. We've also got a recap of the blue posts for the day.

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[Hagnus]

They must not have dinged 80 at the exact same time , since me and my gf had no problem both getting achivement when we dinged 80 realm first at the same time

[Meleg]

Wouldn't it make more sense to link to the Wowhead site's Realm First 80 link rather than Wowdb? Wowdb has kind of turned into the red headed stepchild of wow database websites and is vastly less popular.

http://www.wowdb.com/achievement.aspx?id=457
http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=457

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/wow...com/?metric=uv

There must be some sort of behind-the-scenes casual relationship between WOR and WoWDB I'm not aware of which is kind of lul-worthy. I think this link says it in so many fewer words:

http://www.worldofraids.com/forums/s...8&postcount=17

Also, according to the latest poll on your site I thought I remembered the large majority of visitors choosing to visit WoR for News and Blue Posts, not guild progression, no?

There are much cleaner sites for progression (eg. wowprogress.com) and the argument for this was promptly (and unfortunately) closed by the WoR moderators: http://www.worldofraids.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=19906

The counter argument, "if you don't want to read about these kills, then don't click on the forum" is a glib response meant to quell a valid point. Take a look at that sub forum and one will quickly notice that no thread announcing WOTLK progression has more than this one ~ 5800 views, likely a minuscule portion of the unique hits WoR gets daily. Most are in the 0-2000 range and this will likely go down as guild names become less recognizable. (names like Method, Inner Sanctum, and Premo are bound to get a few clicks by nature of the beast)

Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree on the issue, but I can't help but think WoR's support of such a sub forum stems from the fact several of its mods play in endgame guilds. If WoR made a wowprogress.com-esque listing I'm confident they'd see an enormous surge in traffic, potentially driving site revenue up with their PPC ads - just a suggestion. In fact, I'd bet a hefty sum they could single-handedly dominate that domain of wow interest; a forum format is so gauche.

[Kody]

World of Raids and WOWDB are owned and operated by the same company: Curse.com.

And yes, you're right, that progress forum isn't exactly what I want. We have something in the works.

However, I feel guild progress on a raid-oriented website fits in with "news" as long as it's part of a larger news article.

[Eulo]

I'd just like to address a few points.

Originally Posted by Meleg

There are much cleaner sites for progression (eg. wowprogress.com) and the argument for this was promptly (and unfortunately) closed by the WoR moderators: http://www.worldofraids.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=19906

I closed that thread for multiple reasons. For one, it was not posted in the proper forum for that sort of discussion. Rather than moving to the Feedback forum, I chose to close it because it was not exactly a well constructed argument and most would probably agree it could be classified as trolling.

Also, the difference between a forum format and an ordered list of guilds is that the forum fosters discussion and congratulations where as a site like WoW Progress does not (to my knowledge) have that functionality. It may, I'm not entirely familiar with the site, but I guess it could be buried on the guild pages. Though if that is the case, it would be somewhat different and less intuitive. While in it's current state the threads in our progress forum do not get many replies, that is something we would like to see. However, please, save the flames for a different outlet

Originally Posted by Meleg

The counter argument, "if you don't want to read about these kills, then don't click on the forum" is a glib response meant to quell a valid point.

To that I would say the argument in the original post -- "We do not care [ . . . ] it just showed us how easy and casual the game has become" -- is just as glib, if not more so. There were only a couple of individuals in that thread who agreed with the original post. It seems to me that complaining about someone posting their guild's progression in the "Guild Progress" forum is as absurd as complaining that someone posted a recruitment thread in the recruitment forums.

Presenting an alternative approach to the tracking method is one thing, but telling guilds to quit using the functionality that is already included on this site is something entirely different. The complaint in the original post was that the content in WotLK so far is easy and, for that reason, people do not care about the progress guilds are making on it, not that the forum was bad in general.

Originally Posted by Meleg

Take a look at that sub forum and one will quickly notice that no thread announcing WOTLK progression has more than this one ~ 5800 views, likely a minuscule portion of the unique hits WoR gets daily. Most are in the 0-2000 range and this will likely go down as guild names become less recognizable. (names like Method, Inner Sanctum, and Premo are bound to get a few clicks by nature of the beast)

Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree on the issue, but I can't help but think WoR's support of such a sub forum stems from the fact several of its mods play in endgame guilds. If WoR made a wowprogress.com-esque listing I'm confident they'd see an enormous surge in traffic, potentially driving site revenue up with their PPC ads - just a suggestion. In fact, I'd bet a hefty sum they could single-handedly dominate that domain of wow interest; a forum format is so gauche.

Now despite how it may sound, we do appreciate your feedback. I read everything posted on these forums and whenever anyone offers a suggestion for us, the staff takes it seriously. So I apologize for any confusion on the matter, but the thread that was closed was closed because it was a blanket attack on other posters. Your post in that thread presented a valid concern, and I sincerely apologize for squelching you, but it was not directly related to the original topic of the thread.

[Meleg]

The WowDB thing - meh, we'll just have to live with it I suppose; I'm sure the cards will fall where they may. ZAM and Curse are competitors in a sense, but they both offer great options.

What you wrote makes a lot of sense, and I agree - the real argument in that thread was that the content was trivialized so there was this "we don't care" snarky attitude (which I disagree with). I think I glazed over the OP too quickly to actually digest the point. I DO care and so do a lot of others [even if it does feel slightly cheapened]; I'm glad you took my suggestion with a grain of salt and I'm excited to see what you have in store to improve upon that aspect of the site.

[gamor61]

Originally Posted by Hagnus

They must not have dinged 80 at the exact same time , since me and my gf had no problem both getting achivement when we dinged 80 realm first at the same time

Yeah I was actually online when the two hit 80 on Kilrogg. The Rogue, Rizzen, got it within maybe 30 seconds of the Warrior, Fortune. They did not get it at the exact same moment, but they did level together throughout Northrend.

[elitenls]

So glad to see continual updates even though nothing really big is happening ATM. As always, hats off to the staff for spider-botting and keeping us posted!

[Nazd]

First 80 @ Lightning's Blade was, afaik Norm, a troll rogue, with full BT/SW gear and both warglaives

[Ninkasi]

This is in response to the news article regarding 2 apparent players dinging 80 off of the same kill and only one receiving the realm first 80 achievement.

Myself and friend, Lianne, on Kul'Tiras were the first two level 80s on the server, we dinged off of the same kill and were both awarded the Realm First 80 achievement. So I'm not sure if these 2 players did it differently then us when they dinged or what happened. But it is possible for two or more players to receive the achievement at the same time, it would seem.

Ninkasi

[Kody]

I actually had to clarify what I wrote a bit last night, because apparently they both received the achievement (Fortune (Warrior) and Rizzen (Rogue)), but only Fortune got credit in the realm wide announcement.

[AK47]

I wonder if blizzard works on anything nice to compensate the suppression of warrior Heroic Leap Talent.

And while I'm at it , I can't wait to get more news about character customization.

[Afakaz]

I'm not able to find any corroboration for this, but I recall Blizzard saying something about there being a 1 minute window after a realm-first achievement for other people to earn the same achievement