WotLK cleared... already?

[WoRBot]

The newly merged Nihilum and ex-SK Gaming guild has already cleared all of the raid content in Wrath of the Lich King, two days after release.Read More

[Shudo]

Without trying to dramatise, I think this is going to have some impact on WoW. One way or the other. I salute them!

[TommiTMX]

I personally think the amount of practise they had in Naxx pre-tbc and then in Beta as well to adjust to any changes benefitted them a lot tbh.

[Vradchuk91]

Honestly this is sad. For the whole community, for a great game and the people who completed these instances.

It is after all...a game.

[weenietot]

Or is this Blizzard folding under the weight of a large casual player base that demands to be on equal footing with end-game raiders?

Of course. They can either turn off 5,000 players or 500,000. The minority loses to the revenue of the masses here. If they don't like it, they can go play Warhammer.

[Sitri]

Glad I stepped away from the game when they gave Arena gear for Honor Points. This is sad.

[Chrono]

They are rather fast : o

Misscalculation by Blizzard?

[Sphaerus]

Well fan-bloody-tastic, who really cares?

Everyone knows this is a lot that is beyond hardcore. These are the people who use vacation days from work to play WoW for days on end without sleep for the sake of getting world firsts, and while there's nothing "wrong" with that, using them as a barometer for anything is absolutely moronic.

Personally, if a the top ten percent of the "average" (average being, let's say, the middle 50% of all raiding guilds) serious raiding guilds manage to tromp through raid content a bit too quickly for their tastes so that the "casual" serious raiding guilds (thise group being, say, the bottom 20% of that middle-fifty) actually manage to see content in a reasonable time frame, then I could give a crap less about the feelings of the people who sacrifice work, personal life, and other hobbies for the sake of WoW.

I don't see anything wrong with WoW being your primary hobby, but bursting into tears because the game has been tuned to be more accessible to people with more than one hobby and a life outside of online gaming is absolutely inexcusable. There's nothing awful about being a hard-core raiding guild, but if the entirety of the game is tuned to a significant minority of players, something stupid is afoot.

[Imogen]

Congratulations to them, but they are going to be terribly bored for a couple of months for sure. They could of at least waited for the competition to wake up and get out of bed.

[Vekrul]

Originally Posted by Sphaerus

Well fan-bloody-tastic, who really cares?

Everyone knows this is a lot that is beyond hardcore. These are the people who use vacation days from work to play WoW for days on end without sleep for the sake of getting world firsts, and while there's nothing "wrong" with that, using them as a barometer for anything is absolutely moronic.

Personally, if a the top ten percent of the "average" (average being, let's say, the middle 50% of all raiding guilds) serious raiding guilds manage to tromp through raid content a bit too quickly for their tastes so that the "casual" serious raiding guilds (thise group being, say, the bottom 20% of that middle-fifty) actually manage to see content in a reasonable time frame, then I could give a crap less about the feelings of the people who sacrifice work, personal life, and other hobbies for the sake of WoW.

I don't see anything wrong with WoW being your primary hobby, but bursting into tears because the game has been tuned to be more accessible to people with more than one hobby and a life outside of online gaming is absolutely inexcusable. There's nothing awful about being a hard-core raiding guild, but if the entirety of the game is tuned to a significant minority of players, something stupid is afoot.

Exactly. I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Akumas]

Let's keep in perspective that what they did represents an extremely small percentage of the WoW community. I mean come on, this is what these few guilds do. I'm not surprised one bit by this news, especially after seeing similar news all over WoR over the years.

And no, their efforts don't reflect the structure of the game. Regardless of how difficult or large WoW content ever gets, groups like this merged Nihilum/SK Gaming one will still clear it all due to the fact that they fall into the "hardcore raider" group. They've done it before and will do it again, although I'm sure current guilds will die off and/or further merge in the future, giving rise to new ones to take their place. They experienced the content beforehand, raced to get there, and then poopsocked until it was done. Remember that the hardcore raiding demographic has one thing in common - lots of free time, well, at least more free time than most other individuals. Once you have that as a supporting pillar it opens up the doors of opportunity to perform similar WoW feats.

[SavageJ]

Originally Posted by Sphaerus

Well fan-bloody-tastic, who really cares?

Everyone knows this is a lot that is beyond hardcore. These are the people who use vacation days from work to play WoW for days on end without sleep for the sake of getting world firsts, and while there's nothing "wrong" with that, using them as a barometer for anything is absolutely moronic.

Personally, if a the top ten percent of the "average" (average being, let's say, the middle 50% of all raiding guilds) serious raiding guilds manage to tromp through raid content a bit too quickly for their tastes so that the "casual" serious raiding guilds (thise group being, say, the bottom 20% of that middle-fifty) actually manage to see content in a reasonable time frame, then I could give a crap less about the feelings of the people who sacrifice work, personal life, and other hobbies for the sake of WoW.

I don't see anything wrong with WoW being your primary hobby, but bursting into tears because the game has been tuned to be more accessible to people with more than one hobby and a life outside of online gaming is absolutely inexcusable. There's nothing awful about being a hard-core raiding guild, but if the entirety of the game is tuned to a significant minority of players, something stupid is afoot.

QFT, very well put.

If you want to spend all of your free time and your vacation days to trollop through content in a video game rather than spending it with friends and family or hell even fishing or hunting or something, then this is what you get.

And if its really really really so bad that you just cant stand it, there's always Eve, Warhammer, Age of Fail, the list continues.

Honestly, quit blaming the casuals for your insatiable hunger for pixels.

[ilquax]

This sucks

[zaxxor]

Originally Posted by Sphaerus

Well fan-bloody-tastic, who really cares?

Everyone knows this is a lot that is beyond hardcore. These are the people who use vacation days from work to play WoW for days on end without sleep for the sake of getting world firsts, and while there's nothing "wrong" with that, using them as a barometer for anything is absolutely moronic.

Personally, if a the top ten percent of the "average" (average being, let's say, the middle 50% of all raiding guilds) serious raiding guilds manage to tromp through raid content a bit too quickly for their tastes so that the "casual" serious raiding guilds (thise group being, say, the bottom 20% of that middle-fifty) actually manage to see content in a reasonable time frame, then I could give a crap less about the feelings of the people who sacrifice work, personal life, and other hobbies for the sake of WoW.

I don't see anything wrong with WoW being your primary hobby, but bursting into tears because the game has been tuned to be more accessible to people with more than one hobby and a life outside of online gaming is absolutely inexcusable. There's nothing awful about being a hard-core raiding guild, but if the entirety of the game is tuned to a significant minority of players, something stupid is afoot.

I could not have said it better..great reply

[Kaneiac]

Originally Posted by Sphaerus

Well fan-bloody-tastic, who really cares?

Everyone knows this is a lot that is beyond hardcore. These are the people who use vacation days from work to play WoW for days on end without sleep for the sake of getting world firsts, and while there's nothing "wrong" with that, using them as a barometer for anything is absolutely moronic.

Personally, if a the top ten percent of the "average" (average being, let's say, the middle 50% of all raiding guilds) serious raiding guilds manage to tromp through raid content a bit too quickly for their tastes so that the "casual" serious raiding guilds (thise group being, say, the bottom 20% of that middle-fifty) actually manage to see content in a reasonable time frame, then I could give a crap less about the feelings of the people who sacrifice work, personal life, and other hobbies for the sake of WoW.

I don't see anything wrong with WoW being your primary hobby, but bursting into tears because the game has been tuned to be more accessible to people with more than one hobby and a life outside of online gaming is absolutely inexcusable. There's nothing awful about being a hard-core raiding guild, but if the entirety of the game is tuned to a significant minority of players, something stupid is afoot.

Thank YOU.