BlizzCon Day 2 - WoW Raid Panel

[WoRBot]

Report of the WoW Raid Panel.Read More

[Gef]

Will there be a Sunwell version in Wrath, accessible only to top guilds?

I think not. I want the final raid to be more accessible.

Bullshit. So we'll have every faggot in endgame gear because it's going to be a piece of piss like Black Temple? Wow, Do people really expect if they play the game a few hours a week, to experiance endgame raiding? No, it's not logical, and people like that are a waste of fucking space.

[Anadrol]

You would have thought that with every raid zone having a 10 man version they could really ramp up the 25 mans difficulty wise without making the low to medium play time customer feel left out. Unfortunately it seems that blizz is going to leave the high play time customer out in the cold instead.

If the thing that makes the 25 man's more difficult is on the guild management side then blizzard has developed absolutely nothing for the launch of WOTLK in terms of challenging the 25 man guilds.

Furthermore it really seems to waste the whole concept behind the 10 mans if you think about it. I, wrongfully now it seems, thought that maybe the 10 man concept would finely free the devs up to create some really challenging stuff for the high play time customer and guilds. I guess in the end we just do not represent enough of the population to worry about.

Hopefully the high play time people will now stand up and become a VERY vocal minority and get some of our concerns heard before they completely ruin the expansion for us.

[Affleck]

Originally Posted by Gef

Bullshit. So we'll have every faggot in endgame gear because it's going to be a piece of piss like Black Temple? Wow, Do people really expect if they play the game a few hours a week, to experiance endgame raiding? No, it's not logical, and people like that are a waste of fucking space.

Ok, first off, nice language, makes you seem like a top notch citizen and not some homophobic clown who thinks purple graphics means he's a winner in the real world. Check out a mirror next time you want to call someone a waste of space.

Anyway, since you have the maturity level of an 8 year old, I'll guess your smarts are on par with that, and lay it out in a way that it sounds like they're trying to get at. It sounds like they mean when the expansion first hits, will there be a Sunwell difficulty-type dungeon. No. They sound like they mean, Naxx and maybe another will be available to those who can play them at 80.

Eventually harder instances will be added into the game, and your e-peen can be stroked once again in a dark corner in your lonely life.

[Zain]

Originally Posted by Anadrol

You would have thought that with every raid zone having a 10 man version they could really ramp up the 25 mans difficulty wise without making the low to medium play time customer feel left out.

And this is what you're going to see. The 25 man content will be 100% harder in terms of difficulty. They want people to experience the content of the game. There will be rewards for the high play time and longer progressed guilds. One specific examples of this is the twilight drake, as well as pieces of gear that will only be accessible by completing the encounter successfully, the hard way. In a sense, you may choose your difficulty.

[Marema]

NERD RAGE NERD RAGE NERD RAGE

who cares if everybody has the same gear. 10+mil playing, they must be doing things right.

[MasterLoco]

Will there be a Sunwell version in Wrath, accessible only to top guilds?

I think not. I want the final raid to be more accessible.

No words... If they are gonna numb everything down to Black Temple lvl (that's a reference to easy, obviously) then why on earth are they making 10man versions? Guilds made up entirely out of Season 2 geared PvP'ers cleared Black Temple in 2 whole weeks months ago now on Frostmane. Looks like WotLK will be challenging raidwise... yeey.

[Ideon]

tbh, being one of the less-hardcore players in-game i am really quite pleased to say i will be able to see arthas on live one day

and to all the whiners, why do u think blizz implemented heroic mode and 25-man mode for raid dungeons? heroic 25-man arthas ftw4u!

[Pinch]

Originally Posted by Ideon

tbh, being one of the less-hardcore players in-game i am really quite pleased to say i will be able to see arthas on live one day

and to all the whiners, why do u think blizz implemented heroic mode and 25-man mode for raid dungeons? heroic 25-man arthas ftw4u!

Seeing Arthas isn't the reason hardcore raiders raid; They want the final dungeons to be EXTREMELY HARD. We find this fun, we enjoy a challenge.

Heroic mode is the same thing as 25-man btw, it's just how you differentiate between 10 and 25 before zoning in. There is no 25 man normal mode, and a 25 man heroic mode.

[Kody]

Originally Posted by Gef

Bullshit. So we'll have every faggot in endgame gear because it's going to be a piece of piss like Black Temple? Wow, Do people really expect if they play the game a few hours a week, to experiance endgame raiding? No, it's not logical, and people like that are a waste of fucking space.

Settle down. Nowhere did they say it would be easy. He said they don't want to design raid content that destroys guilds, which some of Sunwell did.

[Darko]

Originally Posted by Pinch

Seeing Arthas isn't the reason hardcore raiders raid; They want the final dungeons to be EXTREMELY HARD. We find this fun, we enjoy a challenge.

Heroic mode is the same thing as 25-man btw, it's just how you differentiate between 10 and 25 before zoning in. There is no 25 man normal mode, and a 25 man heroic mode.

Yup that is correct. 25man = Heroic mode of the Raid dungeon. Blizzard will surely have Sunwell type raids. They stated a few months ago Raids will ramp up after Naxx, so basically... start easy, then get hard. So Icecrown will probably be the daddy of raids for WOTLK and it will probably = Sunwell at 70 or at least that would be a logical guess. Also I'm dying to find out what the secret Raid instance they are working on will be for 3.2. I really hope Blizz won't just dumb down all Raids for the casual people, that is what the 10mans are for essentially so they get to see the content too while the hardcore people get the 25man versions and 10mans and the option to do things the hard way and get rewarded, so Blizz is adding variety so it adds to the longevity, I'm sure we all don't want to have all current content cleared within a month of launch

[Kody]

Originally Posted by Darko

Yup that is correct. 25man = Heroic mode of the Raid dungeon. Blizzard will surely have Sunwell type raids. They stated a few months ago Raids will ramp up after Naxx, so basically... start easy, then get hard. So Icecrown will probably be the daddy of raids for WOTLK and it will probably = Sunwell at 70 or at least that would be a logical guess. Also I'm dying to find out what the secret Raid instance they are working on will be for 3.2. I really hope Blizz won't just dumb down all Raids for the casual people, that is what the 10mans are for essentially so they get to see the content too while the hardcore people get the 25man versions and 10mans and the option to do things the hard way and get rewarded, so Blizz is adding variety so it adds to the longevity, I'm sure we all don't want to have all current content cleared within a month of launch

Icecrown will be the hardest content in wotlk, yes. I wouldn't expect something like M'uru, though, where early on you have to figure out how to cheese it to actually beat it in a lot of cases.

As Daelo said at the panel, content as hard as M'uru usually just encourages guilds to figure out some way to gimp the encounter to their advantage. Same thing held true with twins for a while.

[Darko]

Well as long as its challenging to not be a 1night boss like many in TBC it be good. I always liked watching the top guilds rushing for the kills and spending like 12hrs a day etc on them like Sunwell, but if they make everything ALOT lesser than M'uru for a FINAL DUNGEON then maybe there won't be big races anymore That would put an end to hardcore guilds without a doubt. I'm not saying every boss should be on M'uru pre-nerfs level, heck, even as he is now he's hard, but I and I'm sure many many more raiders want something that won't just die and have a very easy learning curve to it

[Laibcoms]

# Discover the secrets of the titans
* Wanted to get a feel of epicness with every creature that is fought in the dungeon. But we can’t let you fight titans right off the bat.

WOAH!! So, the predictions are true. We are going to fight the Titans. They have a dark secret. Now the Horder and the Alliance have another formidable, epic, all-powerful nemesis. We can't even kill the Dreadlords alone, now we have to fight the creators of our races and terraformers of our Planet.

Lokien is a messenger to the titans – the final boss of the dungeon.

Could it be that he is still in direct communication with the Titans?

There’s a faceless one boss that separates the party into their own phases of the fight where players have to defeat mind controlled versions of themselves. When one target is defeated and another is still alive, the victorious player phases into another player’s phase to help out.

Now that is ---- A-W-E-S-O-M-E!!!

Story wise, you shouldn’t be able to beat the aspect of the blue flight by yourself—so the red dragonflight comes to help midway through the flight.

I don't like the sound of that. It could lead to future Bosses like Sargerras that "story wise, you shouldn't be able to beat" him, "so" someone will come "to help midway through the" fight. The Orc who time travelled will be back, lawlz, to finish off his duel with Sargerras.

# Will Hunter Pets be able to offtank?
* That is certainly the goal.

Hahahaha... great.

# Is there a way we can mix and match our set piece bonuses?
* We’d like to see this, but if you’re carrying around tier loot that is 5 tiers old we might be doing something wrong.

Ok everyone, wear your tier loots with you okay? So they'll think they're doing something wrong

[Eclipze]

so what's the big white glowie, thing...