Deathknight DPS

[TGrimes]

I was wondering if anyone a little more informed than myself has any clue about what weapon type would be used with Blood DPS spec for raiding? (assuming Blood is the raid DPS spec)

I was hoping it would be two one-hand weapons like a Fury warrior or Rogue and then two-handed weapons were more suited for Unholy PvP. All I've heard is "They DW tank." but no mention of the way they DPS in the most efficient way possible.

If Blood two-handed is the best for raid DPS then I really don't think I'll bother re-rolling and just level my Rogue instead as I'm not a fan of two-hand DPS

Bare in mind the final talent mimics your attacks, which may suggest a two-handed weapon would benefit more.

Some experienced information would be great as I really don't want to end up later down the line with a class I'm not totally happy with.

[stba]

i think dw and 2hander both are viable..
gaining only 3% +hit from talents for 1hander in those alpha talent trees so 2hander might be better or atleast easier to gather gear while no need to stack +hit..

and there is no dualwield specialization or like either so -50% damage for offhand and.. no rage / combat potency / poison procs from offhand.. just nerfed autoattack so id personally go with 2hander..

and for raid dps spec..
unholy might take the lead with "ebony plaguebringer" talent.. +15% more spelldamage when target has stack of 3 deathknights disease... not bad for caster oriented 25 man raid.. atleast im sure it will up raid dps more in a long run than one blood spec deathknigth alone..

[mensy]

Afaik the DK is supposed to tank while dual wielding, that frostweapon enchant for both hands increases threat, and on another note, by far there are no 2h tanking weapons so DK can use 2x 1h weps with tanking stats. 2h is for DPS because MOST of the blood abilites scale from weapon dmg, if you are dualwielding the abilities wont do shit and all your dps comes from white attacks.

[jardin]

I was thinking that without the matching blood talents, DW DK won't do much damage.
Also while 2Handing, he would greatly increase his threat generation for the first few blows, and with each instant ability.
my 2 cents

[dormer]

Originally Posted by mensy

Afaik the DK is supposed to tank while dual wielding, that frostweapon enchant for both hands increases threat, and on another note, by far there are no 2h tanking weapons so DK can use 2x 1h weps with tanking stats. 2h is for DPS because MOST of the blood abilites scale from weapon dmg, if you are dualwielding the abilities wont do shit and all your dps comes from white attacks.

There are no two-handed tanking weapons at the moment.

Back before any info was leaked (I think it was sometime in autumn.. don't remember) I remember one of the things I read about the DK class design was that it was supposed to be a two-handed tank. I'm too lazy to google it, and who knows how that's changed by now, but at any rate - if Blizz wants DKs to tank with their rune-blade, they'll make a mechanic for that to work.

As for DPS, have fun speculating - it's only alpha now, and things are going to change a LOT. Things like "the best DPS spec" may even change as players progress through level 80 raids, so /shrug.

[kenage]

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=9385

There's a 2h tanking weapon for you, lol


But, looking at the Blood tree's talents and spells, they are much more geared towards 2h DPSing, with most abilities running off the "weapon damage +x" formula that Arms warriors use. Since, at this time, to my knowledge there are no weapon-based diseases to apply through the Blood tree (there's one in Unholy IIRC, but maybe not) then there's no benefit to dual-wielding, other than less burst damage and more consistent damage output.


But since the Blood-specced Death Knight brings a few group buffs (Blood Aura being a big one, if in a well-built melee group), the personal DPS may be a bit less important than a DK that can stay alive and under the threat ceiling while still beating on the mob.

[draguza]

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28367

As well, not the best example of a 2h tanking weapon, but there isn't exactly a ton of them

[Xflyer]

first off, of course Blizzard is going to add DK tanking 2H's...
Second, there are in fact two hand tanking weapons in the game. Look at feral druid staffs.
Yes they are not runeswords, but in the end there i still is a 2 hand tanking weapon in the game.

[Nibbly]

Originally Posted by Xflyer

first off, of course Blizzard is going to add DK tanking 2H's...
Second, there are in fact two hand tanking weapons in the game. Look at feral druid staffs.

Good point.

[AK47]

As many people said already , there is no 2 h tanking weapon yet ( or at least very few ) But for sure there will be some in WotLK.

Now , I guess I won't bring more information than previous post did so far. But If you think about all this . First of all , when you try to understand DK mechanics ( with the few info we have ) It seems that 2 H weapons are supposed to do more damage than DWielding. They do not depend on a rage system. Therefore there their abilities and spell depends on a regular source (so far rune system seems to be), which means that it should be constant. With such a setup , 2H weapons will lead to higher damage than DW logically.

There is also another point. So far most arm warrior are PVPing - and Fury for PvE. Rogue are DWielding , and 2 H weapon shaman today , are a myth ( no no I still saw one some months ago ... but It was on a RP server so .. *shrug*) . Now if you come to Paladin they do use 2 hand weapon for PvP and PVE. But globally , It seems that 2 hand weapon are highly unrepresented. Wouldn't it offer better balance to raid loot if more classes needed 2 h weapons ?

To end I am thinking of lore and future content. I can't help but think of Ashbringer and Frostmourne which are both supposed to be 2 hands weapons. What if fury warrior where able to DWield 2 h Weapon in WotLK ? I'll stop here the spoiling. However I still think that blizzard will implement more and more 2 H weapon in WotLK , it seems more than obvious.

[Wing]

Sorry, warriors in PvE (I presume you mean endgame) are mostly fury? Might need to recheck that

[AK47]

Originally Posted by Wing

Sorry, warriors in PvE (I presume you mean endgame) are mostly fury? Might need to recheck that

You ask question , but you already know the answer. And I said "most" , huge majority of player only concern end game. And the first sentence of this thread is , I quote: " I was wondering if anyone a little more informed than myself has any clue about what weapon type would be used with Blood DPS spec for raiding? (assuming Blood is the raid DPS spec)". So yes , We/I were/was talking about End game in this case.

Now I wanted to add a comment about DK , presuming 2 H weapons offers better DPS in End game PvE *tease a little* Some people were wondering what would be better for Tanking. There is indeed none or few 2 H tanking weapon in game... But what is a tanking weapon ? Let's not mix up Paladin/Warrior and Druid tanking with DK. Will they require same kind of stats ? We know that DK won't be able to use shield. therefore , blocking is not part of their mechanics. Now maybe all they'll need is Stamina , Armor and Strength if for example Strength equals more Armor points with some talents ( still supposing ).

So as far as we know every 2 h weapon already in game could be great Tanking weapon , as much as 1 hand. This doesn't solve the what is best to tank for DK , 2 h or DW. But still keep open the possibility that special new stats on weapon could be needed for DK to tank.

[Dragonis]

I am curious as to what people think of the unholy talent line for PVE viability in raids. I have a feeling that not only will there be summons down this tree but Blizzard will have a direct dmg spell that can be enhanced in this true kind of like bone spear or bone spirit like in Diablo 2. Not to mention i think you will be able to increase your DOTS like a afflication lock match that with summoning and i think this could be a pretty viable spec for Raids in terms of Dmg. Any thoughts would be great.




The Vodox

[mensy]

tbh would be pointless to add 2h tanking weapons, itemization etc would be fucked up. what would a guild do when a boss drops 2h tanking sword and they dont have a tank dk (de of course, and whats the point in that?)? therefore, just 1h tanking weps and DK will dw those and warr+pally use 1h+shield. easy and sorted.

[uitachi]

Originally Posted by mensy

tbh would be pointless to add 2h tanking weapons, itemization etc would be fucked up. what would a guild do when a boss drops 2h tanking sword and they dont have a tank dk (de of course, and whats the point in that?)? therefore, just 1h tanking weps and DK will dw those and warr+pally use 1h+shield. easy and sorted.

What your guild does when a feral druid staff drops and theres no feral druid? Or a relic libram drop and you dont have a pally? kkty. You usually have those classes on 25man and you will also have a DK when it comes out.

Still i would rather tank with DW i like hitting fast so i can keep doing threat nonstop (im a prot pally)... 2 hand hitting every 3.8s or so would suck, a shammy can cast 2+ bolts on that time...
Unless the new 2hs for DK have a faster atack speed...