5-man Gruul with rogue as main tank

[Teza]

Gaeowyn, the rogue who tanked Mother Shahraz from 100% to 0%, made another test on Gruul this time . He said that next time he plans to tank Illidan, i would like to see that.

Originally Posted by Gaeowyn

Interesting note: We discovered that Gruul's growth cap is 30; he remains at growth 30 for 5 minutes, after which he shrinks back to growth 1.

The kill took us 23 minutes 43 seconds of combat, but this video is compressed to fit the time frame of the song The Last Firstborn, by Celldweller.

(Btw, DST did drop; the warrior cameraman got it)

YouTube - 5-man Gruul (Rogue MT)

WCM link

[lora]

holy shit he is awesome wtb him 5 manning arthas :P

[Ideon]

omg, 30 growths and then he goes back to 1 after 5 minutes? that i didnt know
more and more records are set every day

[Bloodyhealer]

they said that in their last vid aswell. about the growth reset

[Ideon]

sry, i think i missed the last video's comments

[torchill]

never knew about the growth thing either. My guild downs him before 20 which by then he gets crazy.

[Ideon]

yea, to most guilds gruul gets tricky growth 15+
noone has actually GOTTEN to 25 before i think, and if they did it must've been 20 healers-5 tanks setup

[fizyx]

Originally Posted by Ideon

yea, to most guilds gruul gets tricky growth 15+
noone has actually GOTTEN to 25 before i think, and if they did it must've been 20 healers-5 tanks setup

I don't think even that would work... maybe for a Sunwell level druid tank, but I doubt it. At that level he would be pretty much one-shotting EVERYTHING. Only way you could do it was with full evasion, and since thats how a rogue tnak works, thats why they got that far

[Vornesoul]

Originally Posted by fizyx

I don't think even that would work... maybe for a Sunwell level druid tank, but I doubt it. At that level he would be pretty much one-shotting EVERYTHING. Only way you could do it was with full evasion, and since thats how a rogue tnak works, thats why they got that far

Well... 71% evasion.

Gaeowyn plays on the same server as I. Evasion (The ability) lets it hit 100% but it's not that way all the time. Ghostly Strike also helps.

Almost gets 1 shotted in the video. LoL - Cheat Death.

[Lacigam]

Originally Posted by Vornesoul

Well... 71% evasion.

Gaeowyn plays on the same server as I. Evasion (The ability) lets it hit 100% but it's not that way all the time. Ghostly Strike also helps.

Almost gets 1 shotted in the video. LoL - Cheat Death.

Correct and incorrect at the same time. When the previous poster said "full evasion" I believe he meant 100% avoidance. While it is true Gaeowyn does not have 100% dodge, he does not need the Evasion ability to reach 100% avoidance.


There would be no possible way for him to tank 5 minutes of growth 30 if he relied on Evasion to keep him above 100% avoidance.

[QuiSiLoR]

lol nice would love to see him try illidan :P

[Mohlovin]

Aye, and as you see in the video...he benefits from GoA and BoK upping his evasion, as well as 5% from scorpid sting and 2% from insect swarm.

[Vornesoul]

Originally Posted by Lacigam

Correct and incorrect at the same time. When the previous poster said "full evasion" I believe he meant 100% avoidance. While it is true Gaeowyn does not have 100% dodge, he does not need the Evasion ability to reach 100% avoidance.


There would be no possible way for him to tank 5 minutes of growth 30 if he relied on Evasion to keep him above 100% avoidance.

Well... Really, you don't NEED 100% avoidance in order to tank 30 growths. You need a 'high' chance and luck. Really, it's possible to dodge every hit at 70% - 80% because the dice happened to roll under you're percentage.

Anyway... The stats at the start are:
76.31 Dodge
12.16 Parry
14.16 to be missed
Over 100% avoidence

However, as we know, they don't really add together. It's possible to go through all three checks and get a hit off, as the Cheat Death proc proves.

Sooo... Right, you don't need Evasion to tank it but Evasion + Prep + Evasion does give a 30 sec immunity to dodge-able attacks. Which, is damn helpful.

[Gaeowyn]

Originally Posted by Vornesoul

Well... Really, you don't NEED 100% avoidance in order to tank 30 growths. You need a 'high' chance and luck. Really, it's possible to dodge every hit at 70% - 80% because the dice happened to roll under you're percentage.

Anyway... The stats at the start are:
76.31 Dodge
12.16 Parry
14.16 to be missed
Over 100% avoidence

However, as we know, they don't really add together. It's possible to go through all three checks and get a hit off, as the Cheat Death proc proves.

Sooo... Right, you don't need Evasion to tank it but Evasion + Prep + Evasion does give a 30 sec immunity to dodge-able attacks. Which, is damn helpful.

They do add together. It uses a 1-roll system, not three. Say for example you have 50% dodge, 25% parry, 25% miss. It would roll 1-100, and if it lands on 1-50 it's a dodge, 51-75 is a parry, 76-100 is a miss. Those of course aren't the exact numbers used, but the method is correct. Enough dodge parry and miss will push hits crits and crushes off the roll table. (And for a raid boss the req is 101.8% avoidance).

[fizyx]

Originally Posted by Vornesoul

Well... Really, you don't NEED 100% avoidance in order to tank 30 growths. You need a 'high' chance and luck. Really, it's possible to dodge every hit at 70% - 80% because the dice happened to roll under you're percentage.

Anyway... The stats at the start are:
76.31 Dodge
12.16 Parry
14.16 to be missed
Over 100% avoidence

However, as we know, they don't really add together. It's possible to go through all three checks and get a hit off, as the Cheat Death proc proves.

Sooo... Right, you don't need Evasion to tank it but Evasion + Prep + Evasion does give a 30 sec immunity to dodge-able attacks. Which, is damn helpful.

Yes, but the question is, when do you pop it? Almost any hit form him will kill you, even early on. So do you pop it early or save it for later? Or do you just pop it whenever... cause really, it'll help the same amount at any time through the whole fight (since any hit can 1-shot you).