Warlocks, what happened?

[Kalzone]

Hey, just wondering has anyone else noticed how since vanilla WoW warlocks have recieved nerf after nerf. Yes, them being able to kill 7 people alone was a little op. The changes in BC made locks balanced. But, now warlocks just suck.

[Kanzentai]

The changes in BC made locks balanced.
:rolleyes:

[Tyranaes Meneo]

"Balanced" is easily the most overused and most frequently misunderstood word in the WoW lexicon.

[Kloudwalker]

bad locks are still bad.

good locks are easily doing 5k dps

[Kalzone]

if you can not tell im talking pvp wise.

[faris]

By attempting to make every spec viable in pvp they broke us in pvp. Soul link now does almost nothing, then again its only 11 points now. Who wants to pvp with a voidwalker when they do piss poor damage and we have activate paranoia now. And the only thing holding destro back never happened, we still have almost no pvp survivability as destro. Really the only pvp upgrade we got was the ability to actually get a spell off if a rogue is on you.

[Foulwynd]

come on..we have KEWL RoF animation!!!!! :D

[lethalnl]

in bc warlocks were the most "balanced" class (judging from the numbers of them on high ratings in s2-start s3), in the end when the world of roguecraft hit it was naturally suckky....but idd, one of the reasons i rerolled is because i didnt like where it was going
hardly any attention to the real lock issues in beta (snare escapes, survivability, the half scaling of affliction, the cramped destro tree in the 3.0 build)
it still hasnt been fixed, tho snare escapes has had a slight improvement

[Brachamul]

Though locks are having a tough time at the moment, they are a good resilience scaling class. Most of the PvP locks that have high rankings use a 54/17/0 spec which allows you to sacrifice your big blue guy every so often. We will see the level of pvp balance as people get the required gear.

[Hemon]

Though locks are having a tough time at the moment, they are a good resilience scaling class. Most of the PvP locks that have high rankings use a 54/17/0 spec which allows you to sacrifice your big blue guy every so often. We will see the level of pvp balance as people get the required gear.

True to some point. Atm most warlocks lack the res. Though it's unfair we warlocks need around 1k res (sacrificing dps while doing that) while most classes just need dps to succeed. Especially melee have to cover crit and Ap (heroics are good for that) to get better.

We'll just have to wait and see if us warlocks get any loving the next patch for pvp. They can't ignore the fact we wl's are the least played class in any decent rating but a class will always have to be the last. We warlocks are just at that spot atm. (I don't agree the top class covers 30% though ,as shown by SK-gaming).

Just sit it out for now, warlocks are special in their own way and you either love the class and keep playing or you reroll just cause you want an easier class for pvp. But you can't blame people for rerolling. Since you play this game for fun and loosing isn't that much fun after all.

[Thafisker]

As a hunter, i have no problem killing a lock anymore, only problem is, that i will die right after the death of the lock cuz of dots. So perhaps u arent tough alive, but when dead, we can do nothing to stop u from killing us, unless some kind healing class comes to the resque.

[Visceroid]

As a hunter, i have no problem killing a lock anymore, only problem is, that i will die right after the death of the lock cuz of dots. So perhaps u arent tough alive, but when dead, we can do nothing to stop u from killing us, unless some kind healing class comes to the resque.
And that changed how exactly to pre-wrath? :P

Was always like that.. some locks just survived the incoming damage long enough to make their dots kill you first..

[RelaxMan]

i am an avid warlock... have been since day one. i'm not sure i could ever listen to anyone make a legit argument that warlock's are underpowered in raids or PvE. even with the changes it's quite rare for me to fall below top 5 in overall damage in a 25 man raid - even more rare for me not to be #1 in a 5 man. this holds true particularly in boss fights and AoE situations. so far the only class i can't really keep up with in AoE is a shadow priest (wtf mind sear?) - still i have at times cracked 15k dps with a lot of aoe spam and a good tank. it's a lot of fun.

having said that - i've never, EVER enjoyed PvP as a lock. maybe i just don't like PvP, i don't know.... but to throw the term around "balanced" some more, it never seemed balanced that a rogue or paladin could keep me immobile for like 20 minutes while hacking me to death. or slap up a bubble...

the only honest CC we have is fear, and there is way too much stuff that makes a person immune to fear, or removes fear, or etc etc... making it essentially useless. so we're then down to what... a mono e mono fight that's going to last as long as our cloth gear & mediocre stamina do. gg.

the only luck i EVER had in PvP was when paired with a class that could pull off some honest CC work and keep a guy off of me for 5-6 seconds... because let's face it, if you're loaded up with a cocktail of dot's, there's only so much you can accomplish before an inevitable death :)

[Thafisker]

I see locks in the top of every dmg meter aswell, as long as the lock spams curses and corruption on every mobs they see, they'll do great dmg(with the right gear that is). Playing a lock req some good macros for spamming, and just make sure all of ur curses and stuff is up, and u'll be good. I agree locks arent very tough in pvp, can kill a lock in 6secs if LnL procs, but dont talk down on fear. Its works very well compared to many other ccs. Poly: 4secs, trap 4secs, most stun is 3sec, then 1,5sec, and u can only be stunned 3 times be4 turning immune. So imo, fear is still quite good, epecially with death coil which is an instant fear with dmg. For 4 secs, u can manage to do 3-4 dots which will deffiantly kill a person unless he has a healer/dispeller or great hp.

[Hemon]

Gee, you make is sound easy when you say we should just spam our stuff and curses. Didn't you know we wl's have one of the hardest rotations to do their decent dps on boss fights. Are one of the few that require timers to keep track of all their dots(blizzard UI doesn't make it easy).

Anyway, this thread was about pvp. Fear is one of the worst cc to keep up. You can't compare it to stuns since stuns are usually instant. 3 dots won't kill anybody unless they are very undergeared and most classes either dispell or remove or dots with a cd.

We warlocks need cc to survive. We warlocks need to fear that rogue on us if we want to stay alive. Everybody does offc, we warlocks just die 5 times faster. Ever faced an undeath priest? Fear ward, wotf, trinket. Blizzard just made a ton of crap to counter fears cause fear is the only cc that persists(a bit) through damage but hasn't got a cd. Not to mention every lock had their "fun" times seeing their feared targets on low hp's get feared behind that pillar. I had more games like that then seeing their dps get feared far away. And I'm talking here about the warlock class. Fear always was and will always a spell that's either OP or broken. During wow it was OP and everybody kept QQ'ing. Nowadays it's broken and only the warlocks QQ. Hard to balance a spell that's spammable, persist through damage(a bit) and makes them loose control.

Anyway, no point in talking over it this much. We all have our own opinion about this. Blizzard does what blizzard wants even if we warlocks QQ on every forum there is :D .

[Thafisker]

I disagree with u Hemon, but, i like the way u reply to my opinion. Good to see a friendly soul in this wretched world.

I believe fear is working quite well, how many secs does it last, 5-6sec? All but ur fear last 4 secs(exept for the quite op, blind rogues have) but then again, isnt rogue op in everyway in pvp? I as a hunter get killed in 4secs by rogues aswell, i have 18k hp, if a rogue is right specc, good geared and pops things, he can 3 or even 2 hit me, been hitted for 13k be4 by an ambush.

No class but rogue and palas can survive for long in an arena.
For better warlock cc, perhaps the cd of death coil should be lowered, but again i aint a lock so u know better than me. Cc is broken in arenas

[iCondemnUnot]

warlock class is still overpowered imo

[Thafisker]

warlock class is still overpowered imo

Not op, just imba(for all who thinks this equals overpower, ur wrong, look it up)
They are good in some situations, and the worst shit in other ;)

[Ogre]

Not op, just imba(for all who thinks this equals overpower, ur wrong, look it up)
So few understand that distinction.

And Hemon, locks are not the only class the need timers to play correctly. Talk to Mut rogues, they share your pain. Thank god for ClassTimers.