Halp! 1300 DPS on Brut [Elemental]

[Meemers]

Ahoy Dudes and Dudettes!

Prepare for a long read - Get some popcorn and some coffee if needed :)


Okay first off; My Armory (http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Arathor&n=Meemers), so we're all on the same page. (Mind you that neck slot is currently not filling in because Armory havn't updated it as of yet. But my current neck item is: Guardian's Pendant of Subjugation (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37928) with a +12 Spell Damage gem. And as Armory is lacking Haste info; 183 (283 triggered) Spell Haste and 970 Spell Damage (for the missing neck in case). This is all without totems; So T6p4 and Wrath of Air is added.

Okay.. As the subject says, i got 1300 DPS on our recent Brutallus kill (WWS (http://wowwebstats.com/wp6yhfdk136om)). That kinda bummed me out. Reading through most WWS logs, other Elemental Shamans doing their first try on Brutallus was on minimum ~1600 DPS. So clearly i am doing something wrong, however i do not know what it is. I'll give you a rundown on what's going on:

Raid:

1x Enhancement Shaman
0x Shadow Priest :(
0x Boomkin

Consumables:

I am doing Drums of Battle (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29529) and Destruction Potion (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22839) whenever the Cooldown is off. We dont have a Drum rotation as i am stuck with mages and locks and they are all doing something else than being usefull.

My rotation is 4/1 with a Flameshock thrown in if i get hit by the DoT. In addition i am doing a double tab on Lightning Bolt to start with; which basicly means that i am holding down my Lightning Bolt key (1) at all times and releasing it when it hits the latency bar on Quartz. Rinse and repeat, switching with Chain Lightning on every 4th cast obviously. So the brainlag should be somewhat minimized afaik. Though i havn't installed the mod, so i dont have the MS numbers. But i am fairly confident that i am within the 100, hell even the 60 MS.

As for my gear. I am well aware that i need some upgrades, just got back from a long break, so i still need some stuff:

Rings: I reckon 2x Ring of Ancient Knowledge (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32527) is going to find their way to my character sheet.

Belt: Skyshatter Cord (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34542)

Wrist: Skyshatter Bands (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34437)

Mainhand: Reign of Misery (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34176)

Cloak: Shroud of the Highborne (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32524) if not Shadowcaster's Drape (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33591) get's there first.

Legs: When we down Felmyst Chain Links of the Tumultuous Storm (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34186) will be mine.

Gloves: Same goes for Gauntlets of the Ancient Shadowmoon (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34350) if i can fetch them before some dodgy Resto Shaman.

Boots: Skyshatter Treads (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34566)

Totem: when i get enough passive Haste, i'm going to switch Skycall Totem (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33506) with Totem of Ancestral Guidance (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32330)


Though as for trinkets i am lost. Nothing more, Nothing less. As you see i am wielding TLC (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28785) + Sextant of Unstable Currents (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=30626) atm which i am fairly happy with. However i am aiming for Skull of Gul'dan (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32483) and Hex Shrunken Head (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33829).
But Darkmoon Card: Crusader (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31856) seems somewhat appealing too. I've read some theory crafting over this some time ago, but i fail to find it again and i cannot remember which were better. Skull and hex seems to score better on maxdps.com than both TLC, Sextant and DMC:C. But i do not have the nearest idea of which would be better.


But again Halp! 1300 DPS is really not enough. I've seen Elementals WWS up to 2200. What am i doing wrong here?


ANY kind of input would be well accepted. Hope you can help me.

//Meemers

[Drache]

Hello, I don't play an elemental shaman but I thought I'd throw you the advice I tend to throw everyone. Read up on Elitistjerks.com. Heres the elemental Shaman page... hope it helps.

http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t20914-shaman_elemental/

[magerglory]

like the guy before me i don't know much about elemental shamans, but your spell damage seems waaaay to low for any caster. are there any upgrades out of BT/Hyjal that you could still pick up? maybe even cloth or leather gear, anything to squeeze out some extra spell damage.

[Solarasil]

As a shaman I am aware that shamans do cap at a relativly low spell dmg vs other casters but you should get around 1100ish if im not mistaken. . .I am enhance /shrug

oh and get to 25% base crit then spell dmg> haste untill you get 1100 thats how the ele shaman does it in mah guild


also according to the EJ post you should drop the CL if you have t6p4

[afrobotics]

Well shadowpriest (which most raids have) is 5% dmg right there pushing you to 1450 on your kill attempt with one.

[Bil]

I believe that I read somwhere a long time ago that Shaman effective spell dmg capped around 1300-1500 ish. Anymore and you lose spell dmg. I haven't been able to pick up a second t6 set for elemental yet to mess around with dmg or anything. But with my t5, and flask help, I pushed myself to 1700 spell dmg with trinkets destruction potion and the ring proc. And was sad to see my lightning bolts were not hitting for much more than 2k (no spriest, no boomkin, no enhance shaman) This left me at around 1300 dps as well.

I've been able to hit 1800 with the same rotations you are using, but I steer clear of using anything that would put me over 1500 dmg simotaneously. But I also have not tested how good haste gear is for shaman. I'm aware that its supposed to be the best a caster can get, but all my ele gear is gemmed with spell dmg or dmg/crit gems.

[lora]

you want around 1.1 spell damage and then focus on spell haste once u have enough spell damage get as much sphaste as possible shammys benifit alot more out of it.

[Meemers]

Ahoy,

Thanks for the reply's. Much appreciated.

I have been studying Eli on the One-stop-elemental-shop especially and i've read up on Binkenstein.

Though one thing confuses me then. Looking at my spelldamage i have 970 Spelldamage, but with T6p4 and all totemz i have 1116 which takes me over the 1100 bar and with flasks and spellfood i am reacing 1200 steady. Trinkets will obviously have no influence on my spelldamage. So it's ~1300 raidbuffed approx.
And also my spellcrit would be able to suffer even 4% less according to EJ and Mr. Binkenstein, so i can't see me getting more crit as i wont bennefit from it as much as spelldamaga / Spell Haste.

But is 1300 really too low?

[Teroc]

About your gear I'm a little confused. My main gear is for heal spec but like any shaman I have an elem gear and an enhanc gear for farming issues.
My elem gear is crap, mostly blues and some bad quality epics. But I have almost 900 spell damage and 20% crit... So obviously there is something wrong with your gear. The first thing I notice is how you gemmed your stuff : haste, haste, haste.

If I'm not mistaken you have 153 haste rating, I really think you should reach about 1000-1100 spell damage unbuff before gemming for haste. And since you're using TLC, you should have way more crit to make it worth it.
I suggest you should re-gem for crit/spell damage since you're very low on them.

Here is a link to the armory page of one of my elem friend who is doing just fine on Brut : http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Throk%27Feroth&n=Spudo

[Rhaim]

I have no idea how you managed that. I pull almost 1400 on random ZA bosses in my gear, which is nowhere near excellent, and with only basic buffs. With all of the buffs you use, and with your gear, on BRUTALLUS I have no idea how you managed to pull something that low. Like, it may be more impressive to pull something that LOW on Brutallus.

Honestly I think your problem HAS to be latency related. If all you do is LB spam there's no way in heaven or hell you'll pull a DPS score that low. Either that or you're running out of mana due to your lack of a shadow priest. Now that I think about it, the mana issue seems to be the greater threat.

If mana isn't an issue at all, may god help you.

[leeunit]

Maybe you just suck Meemers :P

Thanks for showing me doing meni damage though hehe (Givf Glaives :( )

On a serious note, from reading the above posts, we did have a shadow priest in the raid iirc - Hec was in there. As people said try converting from haste to crit and bump up the spell damage. Granted the armory link above has a bit more t6 than you but surely that shouldn't add 7% crit and almost 200 spell damage?

Also, can you confirm what the %age of hit elemental shamans need? 16% iirc. Most I have looked at only have about 40 hit rating. You get 3% from natures guidance, 6% from elemental precision and 3% from totem of wrath? If this is right, then thats 12% from stuff other than gear, meaning one would only need about 50 hit rating to get the required amount of spell hit whilst you have 74. Change this for more spell gear and or crit?

[Binkenstein]

My best so far has been 1927, but I've had a shadow priest for most attempts.

Firstly, there is no "damage cap". With the gear you have I would gem for haste, but don't go nutty about it either. Putting in some green gems to get 4/5 damage from socket bonuses isn't a bad choice either.

Few things from the kill log.
1) you had to redo your flask.
2) you regained totemic mastery twice! (although one would have been from a death though)
3) 1 Drum of Resto, 1 of Battle. Should be 3x battle
4) Destruction potions, again, should be able to get 3 in there (time with drums of battle + heroism for extra damage)
5) Burn sucks. Use Flameshock while running.

Other things: AG > Skycall, replace TLC with Crusade, drop CL and go with pure LB spam, and get some upgrades!

[Esad]

i have unbuffed about 1150 spelldmg with my shammy, getting the bonus from 2pieces t6 i am allready above 1,3k. buffed with flask, oil and food a am steady above 1,4k almost at 1,5k. so yes, 1,2k spelldmg/naturedmg ist far too low.


start to get away from all the crit shit, the only thing you get from spellcrit is that you don't need to drink manapots. but when you want to do dmg, then start to put in spelldmg-gems and go for them.

[Meemers]

My best so far has been 1927, but I've had a shadow priest for most attempts.

Firstly, there is no "damage cap". With the gear you have I would gem for haste, but don't go nutty about it either. Putting in some green gems to get 4/5 damage from socket bonuses isn't a bad choice either.

Few things from the kill log.
1) you had to redo your flask.
2) you regained totemic mastery twice! (although one would have been from a death though)
3) 1 Drum of Resto, 1 of Battle. Should be 3x battle
4) Destruction potions, again, should be able to get 3 in there (time with drums of battle + heroism for extra damage)
5) Burn sucks. Use Flameshock while running.

Other things: AG > Skycall, replace TLC with Crusade, drop CL and go with pure LB spam, and get some upgrades!

1.) Yeah think it ran out just as we pulled him
2.) I always drop another set of totems 2 secs before the first run out. A.K.A not using recall
3.) As we had a SP in the healers group, i was politely asked to throw in some mana for my mages as they were whining. hence the single mana drum. And i think i started off too late on the first drum for me to get off a second one.
4.) I was under the impression that BL/Heroism + Drums didnt stack? Did some tests on Dr. Boom and i didn't see any difference. Though might have changed while i was away?


Well as mentioned i wanted to get AG totem, but i wanted to get more passive haste before hand.
I think this haste is somewhat of a funny stat. It's all about how you weigh you stats and what you feel better. 1:1 after 1200 spelldamage sure, but whatabout before? there must be a damage incrase in the haste gained pre 1200? and that's where i fail to see what i am doing wrong.


1337unit what forum is this? Magic DPS yes, you're correct. Now what are you doing here then? Nothing but damage. Go fish for ye glaives :)
On a serious note though, yes hit is 16%. I am well above that.
Though my general impression of 2.4 is that Crit is basicly only for the mana effeciency as of now and the DPS is found at Spelldamage / Spellhaste. Am i correct in thinking this? Mind you that you can't go lower than 20% Crit.


Thanks for the reply's. I has meni happy :)

[Schusselchen]

4.) I was under the impression that BL/Heroism + Drums didnt stack? Did

stacks ... did so . and will be alike till wotlk ^^

[leeunit]

1.)


1337unit what forum is this? Magic DPS yes, you're correct. Now what are you doing here then?

I'm at work. What do you expect me to do? work? :p

[Klokie]

Drums and heroism stack^^

Our ele shaman is able to push 1600 dps without much problems in BT, on fight like RoS.

You should have 1400+(buffed) spelldamage when your in a Sunwell guild.

Drop Lightning Capasicator and get Icon, Hex head, crusade or skull, the spell damage from them will do you much better. LC got really crappy after the nerf.

haste + spell damage gems will do you better at this time.

Pure LB spam is better when you have that much haste rating.

and yes, Crit is only for mana now (for ele shamans atleast) but having 30% buffed helps alot.

You also have to remember that you boost group damage with about 120 dps too(+Heroism and drum), per caster, we have our shaman in the warlock group as they have life tap and blalblabla. We(im one of the warlocks :P) manage to push 1800 dps++ thx to them(atleast i do, and im undergeared)

all i can say, wall of text complete :D

[Teroc]

you say crit is for mana only, but doing 40% of your LB at 4500 instead of 30% is still a good up for your dps...

[Darkstone]

Hmm.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Lothar&n=Neergyzarc

http://wowwebstats.com/flwuqkdonxbik?s=183337-196858


Maybe look at the logs?

[Meemers]

Okay so judging from the WWS posted and the comments, i should get a tad more spell damage and stick to pure LB spam then?

Neegyzarc have almost equelant gear to me, a tad better too but i wonder if those gear pieces would make 600 DPS difference? He was spamming LB too.

Anyways, this have given me some stuff to work with. Cheers for the help. Will return after thuesdays go on Brutallus.

//Meemers

[maytrixx]

i think 1300 dps is horid for a sunwell shammy. with a boomkin in my group i can push 1200 dps and i am in only tier 4 equivalent. i personaly love the crit. it keeps me casting LB through out boss fights.

i love all the info in this post it has given me a lot to think about.

oh ya here is my crap tier 4 gear Whitedeath (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Draenor&n=Whitedeath) i will try to dig up a WWS of the 1200 dps :p

[mgp84]

1 Thing from a general DPS PoV. Are you rolling your cooldowns? Ex. The Skull of Gul'Dan, ZA Caster Trinket, Bloodlust (If applicable), Destruction Potion, etc... All at the same time. The effect that one of these things has individually can be so-much, but when you stack them together, its effectiveness level increases exponentially.
I (as a mage) built a macro that does Icon/ZATrink/Combust/DestroPot/FireCap and use it either twice in 1 fight or once @ 20%.

Example: (for You)
/use Destruction Potion
/use Drums of Battle
/cast Heroism
/cast Lightning Bolt (Rank 12) ( <--- ShiftClick spell into macro screen, as I do not play a shaman and don't know how its going to be typed)


Edited Thanks to Lethalnl vvv Did not know that the stopcasting function was fixed.

[lethalnl]

/stopcasting isnt usefull anymore :) they fixed that a couple patches back

[luckycharms19]

My guild leader is elemental and he's usually pretty high up on the meters. http://wowwebstats.com/oqsmq4orklezg?s=11416-11678 that is from our first night of brutallus attempts and he had pretty consistent dps. http://www.armory-light.com/us/Malfurion/moshne/ is his armory. hope this helps

[keichi]

Most important piece of info.... DO NOT LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SUNWELL SHAMAN!!!! I see a lot of misinformation in this thread and it is very counterproductive to try to help when you dont know the subject matter :(

@lucky well 1700 dps isnt very high. Granted the dps block for shaman(at brutallus) is about 2k with insane buffs, I can push out 1800 on a bad attempt(my guild is on felmyst ATM)

back to point: another note is that LB/CL registers as LOWER dps on WWS, but does do more damage at ALL gear levels. this is due to lower cast speed and higher base damage. Yes, get drop the badge totem and use the BT one.

For trinkets the ssc trinket actually scales very well with shaman and is worth keeping around. For the other socket go quags eye which is best in game ATM (slightly better than illidan trinket) or get hex shrunken head from ZA. The cape needs to be replaced obviously. I suggest the illidari council cloak to maintain that 20%+ crit as you accumulate more sunwell gear. Until then the ZA haste cloaks are just as good for dps.

Your ring is horrible outdated, the BT trash one is best, but the ZA timed ring are about as good and useful later on when you lose a lot of your spell hit. Obviously you want to finish the rep ring off as it is only slightly worse than Bt trash one.

Not sure what neck you use, but try to get the RoS neck. It has awesome dps stats, and the hit will not go to waste later on in sunwell when you lose all the hit from tier gear. If not, then the Za haste neck will suffice.

Your gems can stay they way they are now, but i myself like to socket pure damage and let haste come from gear. My reasoning is that the gems dmg vs haste are not that far apart, i think at my gear levels it is like .175 dps difference. BUT more damage increase haste value from other gear. That being said the ultimate goal is 1400-1500 spell damage (buffed) 30-40% crit (buffed) and as much spell haste as possible.

my armory is http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Medivh&n=Kangaskhan but at the moment i am enhancement for pvp

[Meemers]

Quag's eye? I am kinda amazed about that statement. Not that i dont belive you, but do you maybe have some theory about this?

So just to get it straight, form now on the gear upgrades, T6 boots and bracers especially will need to be socketed with a +12 damage to make up for my lost spelldamage? Or should i perhaps regem some of the items? Because pre 2.4 i was above 1100 and 27% crit unbuffed but no haste at all. So no doubt that i will be able to make that number again.

[luckycharms19]

@lucky well 1700 dps isnt very high. Granted the dps block for shaman(at brutallus) is about 2k with insane buffs, I can push out 1800 on a bad attempt(my guild is on felmyst ATM)


fair enough but the OP asked how he could increase his dps from 1300. Last time I checked 1793>1300 so I thought it might help to post his armory link so OP could compare gear. This isn't a pissing contest, i don't really care how much dps you can do.

I'm far from an elemental shaman expert as I've only raided as resto.

[Binkenstein]

My guild leader is elemental and he's usually pretty high up on the meters. http://wowwebstats.com/oqsmq4orklezg?s=11416-11678 that is from our first night of brutallus attempts and he had pretty consistent dps. http://www.armory-light.com/us/Malfurion/moshne/ is his armory. hope this helpsStop making him busy so he can send SEIC beta 4 back to me to finish off :p

Most important piece of info.... DO NOT LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SUNWELL SHAMAN!!!! I see a lot of misinformation in this thread and it is very counterproductive to try to help when you dont know the subject matter :(

@lucky well 1700 dps isnt very high. Granted the dps block for shaman(at brutallus) is about 2k with insane buffs, I can push out 1800 on a bad attempt(my guild is on felmyst ATM)

back to point: another note is that LB/CL registers as LOWER dps on WWS, but does do more damage at ALL gear levels. this is due to lower cast speed and higher base damage. Yes, get drop the badge totem and use the BT one.

For trinkets the ssc trinket actually scales very well with shaman and is worth keeping around. For the other socket go quags eye which is best in game ATM (slightly better than illidan trinket) or get hex shrunken head from ZA. The cape needs to be replaced obviously. I suggest the illidari council cloak to maintain that 20%+ crit as you accumulate more sunwell gear. Until then the ZA haste cloaks are just as good for dps.

Your ring is horrible outdated, the BT trash one is best, but the ZA timed ring are about as good and useful later on when you lose a lot of your spell hit. Obviously you want to finish the rep ring off as it is only slightly worse than Bt trash one.

Not sure what neck you use, but try to get the RoS neck. It has awesome dps stats, and the hit will not go to waste later on in sunwell when you lose all the hit from tier gear. If not, then the Za haste neck will suffice.

Your gems can stay they way they are now, but i myself like to socket pure damage and let haste come from gear. My reasoning is that the gems dmg vs haste are not that far apart, i think at my gear levels it is like .175 dps difference. BUT more damage increase haste value from other gear. That being said the ultimate goal is 1400-1500 spell damage (buffed) 30-40% crit (buffed) and as much spell haste as possible.

my armory is http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Medivh&n=Kangaskhan but at the moment i am enhancement for pvp
Yes, lets all listen to the shaman that is socketing for spellcrit. Oh, wait.....

Technically, you are both correct and wrong about LB/CL vs LB rotations. While CL does have a higher base damage, and lower cast time, it is also not affected by the 4pc T6 bonus, has a lower damage co-efficient, and depending on how your reaction time is you may end up wasting precious milliseconds in a rotation that is not forgiving of mistakes.
The flip side is that you can gem for haste/damage a bit more aggressively, which will increase damage output more, rather than adding more spellcrit to increase clearcasting uptime.

Also, I'm of the opinion that Quag's eye is not the be all and end all trinket most people make it out to be. Certainly, the proc is very powerful, but it is so very easy to waste it vs an on use or longer duration proc. Additionally, it's possible to overstack haste buffs, which isn't possible with damage.

[Meemers]

New WWS 7/8-08 (http://wowwebstats.com/x4ycmpuq1rx1s?s=80954-111629)

Well here's the new log. I did a little better. Almost made the 1600 DPS. It was an increase of 246 DPS, which is fine. Though not quite near my expectations. Was hoping to break atleast 1700 if not 1800.

Though 2 things taken into account here:

1.) My Wizard oil ran out just as we engaged /Smack
2.) This kill was a LB spam try out. next week i'll try to keep the 4/1 all the way through and hope for a SP to show up in our group.
Though with Skycall Totem 4/1 seems so erratic. Need to watch it when it procs or not. Or with my amount of passive Haste (181) should i just go 4/1 all out even in triggered phases?


I also dropped Skinning for the benefit of 2x +12 Spell Damage on rings. That puts me to 999 Nature Spell Damage :( Also changed my gem in my chest for the socket bonus. Only lost 5 haste on it, but from my calculations that was worth it?


Last, anyone reckon i could do some tweaking in my gems at all? Throw in some 5/6 or pure damage?

Thanks in advance.

//Meemers

[Teroc]

on your first WWS, you did 100 LB and 12 CL for 5min44sec dps time but you had burn once and you had to move.
on your second WWS, you did 149 LB for 5min53sec dps time.

How do you explain the +37 casts? More lighting overload proc? Since you lowered your haste, it's not logic... Perhaps you have brain lag when doing the LB/CL rotation... lol

[Meemers]

Erhm - ups?

In my eager to fix my DPS as of the first raid i changed almost every gem in my gear to haste from spelldamage / Crit, then posting in here. Cought up in attempting to increase the use of it even further i failed to mention this as i was too focused on my current gear.
I am very sorry for not pointing this vital detail out :(

My first attempt at Brutallus was with mid 1100 SD and ~ 28% crit with a mere 57 Spell Haste (157 procced).

[Evalor]

Hey there, I doubt that noone has said this already, but if someone hasn't, I'll say it:

1300 dps is not bad for your gear. you have to much haste, even while mana poting on cooldown, to get any higher. I'd say: either get a shadow priest (which is a must for brut, anyway), or regem. haste is worthless if you run oom. and you should definatly not use a 4/1 rotation if you're low on mana:b

[Meemers]

Hey there.

We had a go at Brut yesterday as well (WWS 15/7-08 (http://wowwebstats.com/xx6w5cxzgchu1)). I died once on the final attampt but ankhed right away. Otherwise i would have been able to push it about 100 more DPS i reckon. But i still think it's utter rubbish. Also on the other tries i've made a 4/1 and gotten him to about 50% when i went dry on mana. Redid my spec a bit:

- Took 2/3 Nature's Guidance which leaves me 0.84% over hitcap and took 5/5 Totemic Focus
- And ditched 2/2 Storm Reach for the sake of more Mp5 (US 5/5).

Hope this will help a tad on my mana.

But does my gear yell for more Spelldamage/Spell Haste rather than pure Spell Haste?

Also, i've been trying to look up some numbers on Relics, Totem of the Void vs. Stormcall Totem, if i should replace that till i get the Teron Relic?

I've come past the 1k Spelldamage mark now and still working my way up, but i still reckon it's too low. I see Shamans with Legs and ancient gloves, but almost the same gear as me, that are doing close to 1900 DPS. Does those two items really make that big of a difference?

I cannot figure out if it's my gemming that is totally off or if it's me just sucking. I've gone from Press/release method to just plain spamming the relevant spell so it will que up and avoid the latency, but sometimes it still goes the full duration of the cast (with Latency) before it reacts on the next spell. It's like it doesn't register that i am queing up the next spell.

/stopcasting has become worthless nowadays right? Atleast that is what i was told.

//Meemers

[Evalor]

&stopcasting is worthless, indeed.. just spam (pref get quartz, so you can see the lag).. as i said above, haste is useless if you run oom. so if you find yourself running oom, skip the haste and go for pure spelldamage.

stormcall totem spreadsheeted generates significantly more dps than totem of the void at your gear level, however, once again - haste is useless if you run oom.

1k spelldamage isn't enough either, really.. i mean, it's a line, sure - but its not meaning anything dps wise (except that you obviously got more spelldamage). my shammy is resto atm, and in my elemental gear (which is kinda offspecc, since i raid resto) i have about 1000 spelldamage and 37ish % crit, but no haste so its not a very hard line to come across. im not saying this is the way to go though, since i obviously havnt come cross any real haste gear, though without a shadow priest in your group haste is indeed useless (if you aint going for the lb spam, which might be a good thing do considering your 4pt6, but then you'll probably have to chug mana pots).

another great thing is to get that alchemy trinket if you're eating mana pots. it's seriously op, allthough i doubt you are willing to reroll alchemy if you aren't already.

my point being the same as before: haste is useless without the mana capacity. if you find yourself having too much mana, go for haste, if you find yourself going oom, go for spelldamage.

simple as that.

[kudret]

As Evalor said, make sure you are using quartz or a similar cast bar mod that guesstimates how much latency you have. (if you're still checking this thread anyway!)

[zypyst]

As Evalor said, make sure you are using quartz or a similar cast bar mod that guesstimates how much latency you have. (if you're still checking this thread anyway!)

I'm sorry I've always wondered this... is your avatar a picture of an ass with a face on it teabagging someone?

[kudret]

yep