Leotheras the Blind Warlock Tank

[Zuelu]

Hello all, I have an alt level 70 Warlock who has been designated by my guild as our Fire res Tank and I have some questions, hopefully they can be answered.

First, what is a good UNBUFFED Fire Res to get set, because i know I will have +140 Fire Res while buffed, and I need to know what to aim at.

Second, does Nether Protection proc from Leo's Fire Damage? I've heard that it doesn't and it does, so I'd like some locks who have done this!

Also, I have my spec picked out if Nether Prot. does work, but if it doesn't, could someone please refer a spec? I'm thinkin of somethin, but I might need some off-Haomarush ingenuity to get it done.

I may sound kinda lazy, but wherever I have gone I have not gotten the exact same answer as the last source, and hopefully I can get some experienced advice.

Thanks,
Zuelu/Verowend :D

[Zumwalah]

get 360 FR buffed

and spec Soul link

[Teroc]

cut/paste from bosskillers :

Warlock Offtank
Use a Felhunter for added resistance. You can start the fight with a Curse of Doom on Leotheras so that it can tick off for extra aggro during Phase 2. When Phase 2 hits, you have to nuke him with Searing Pain and keep aggro on him for the duration of the phase. In Phase 3 you need to keep aggro on the Demon version of Leotheras until his humanoid form is killed.

The warlock offtank needs to be Soul Link specced and have about 250 unbuffed fire resistance and as much stamina as he can get. The warlock needs a shaman or a paladin in his group with Fire Reistance Totem/Fire Resistance Aura and a Flask of Fortification.

[Rozenwyn]

365 FR buffed so if you are using felguard and having a shaman FR totem or pally FR aura for 140 then you still need 225 from gear. Not really that hard to do. There are badge pieces you can buy, or find a tailor with the aldor patterns. Also there is a head enchant from Thrallmar or Honor Hold. Requires honored rep and 100g, adds 20FR to a head piece. So could either add to an already nice FR head piece or add to a backup piece of regular head gear to keep some extra stats depending on how much you've got from other sources. There are also FR armor kits that some leatherworkers can make to add +8 to certain slot items so if you are coming up just a few points shy those can help.

As for spec, as previous poster said, Soul Link helps a ton. I am a demo lock normally so I was the obvious choice for this roll when the time came.

As far as actually tanking him, get a misdirect the first change if you can. After that time Curse of Dooms. If you put one up around 14-16 secs before he changes back to human form then it should go off JUST after he switches to the next demon form and help you grab aggro quick.

[Zuelu]

any idea if Nether Protection works? thats one of my key points, because if i know if it can or cannot it will affect my spec for tanking him

[lethalnl]

im always the warlock tank in my guild, so here's a complete guide

gear:
225 unbuffed is just the bare minimum, dont go over it either if you can avoid it.
the complete badge set + trials of the naaru: magtheridon offer the needed fire ress items (230 total)
all the other pieces should be either pvp or high +hit, since you need all the hp/threat you can get in a demon phase

specc:
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IZ0xfzIiz0esZxx0trhz
37/24 soul link + searing pain specc

strat:
stay back for the first 2 adds to be cleared, then run up to within leo's range and pop a CoD the second he come out
then to your left is a pole/lamp/whatever which is a nice place to park your pet, so just put him on stay there
then stay back untill 4 seconds from demon phase, then start casting a soulfire, then just spam searing pain all the way, at 19 seconds before he turns back into his human form reapply CoD

make sure healers keep your pet alive, and you have a soulstone on yourself

tip: make shamans put down a searing totem, it for some reason always pulls aggro on leo and gets him back to the wanted position nicely

if the dpsers/healers dont screw up with pulling aggro after threat resets this is a real easy fight :)

[lethalnl]

any idea if Nether Protection works? thats one of my key points, because if i know if it can or cannot it will affect my spec for tanking him

it does proc, but you cant use it :)
nether prot = immune and immune = loss of aggro

[flaicher]

I'm wondering why noone haven't mentioned that the lock tank on Leo should NOT have Nether Protection. If it procs while you are trying to hold aggro from everyone (since this is the time to nuke the boss, especially gor melee), you gain immunity against Leo's fire spells and you lose aggro at least for the duration of the Nether Protection. I might be wrong though but that's what our lock tank told when I asked about NP.
EDIT: someone were faster than me :/

[Zuelu]

Thanks for that advice, really thought NP would help, but *shrug* shows how new i am to warlock tanking :p once i get my fire res up about 70 more points (im at 159 in my current fire res set on my lock) and we kill leo ill post a pic extra TY Lethal, if we down him, the pic is dedicated to you :D TY for all the advice guys, ill put it to good use

[uch]

I am the warlock tank for my guild.

-I have always been 21/40 and I never change for Leo. I was not specced for NP. If your healers struggle keeping you up then soul link is a great idea.
-I sacrifice my imp for added threat
-I have another warlock in group for Blood Pact
-Shaman for FR totem and spell hit/crit totem, pally for FR aura. The totem and aura don't stack but you have backup in case one dies.
-Warrior for Commanding Shout
-I have 295 unbuffed FR
-I have 13.1k unbuffed stamina

We always stopped dps at 17% and waited a phase so that we could go into the split when I was clear of stacks.

[lethalnl]

i run with 17k buffed hp in my fire ress gear :) sometimes luck is bad and you get hit 7-8 times in a phase, then having loads of hp is a real big help

running with a 21/40 specc is not really ideal imo....loses to much fire ress, which you have to compensate by sacreficing damage/hit/crit

[Raisa]

You need to stack as much as FR as possible as the debuff stacks up quickly. Other FR buff from Totem also helps.

SL spec is not necessary for this encounter. I tanked this as UA affliction when I was in partial T5 gear.

The key to survival is mostly execution. If you follow the keypoints below you should be fine with this fight.

1) 4 second after Leo is engaged after all adds are dead, throw up a curse of doom.
2) When the timer hits 10 seconds left to demon phase, throw up all 4 DOTS.
3) Spam searing pain as much as you can as he is transitioning.
4) Curse of doom will hit as soon as he is completely in demon phase, continue to spam searing pain until inner demons are spawned.
5) At this time you should have massive aggro, spam only siphon life and drain life to keep yourself up as you are now taking increased fire damage + some healers may have inner demon.
6) When the timer hits 15 seconds left to human phase, throw up another curse of doom, this will ensure the doom hits next time he transitions.
7) Repeat step 2 - 6 until 18%.

8) What commonly wipes the raid is when the lock tank transitions into phase 2 with already many debuffs on. You never want to transition into Phase 2 and tank the demon with any debuffs up as you will die almost instantly. To mitigate this issue, have a paladin quickly DI you as this clears all existing debuff.

[lethalnl]

some people are just to lazy to respecc to an optimal tanking specc ^^

kill lurker > raid moves leo you ask for portal and respecc > you get a summon by the time they reach the end of the ramp

[Rykiel]

actually any spec is good for tanking leo,but better for the 1st kills id recomend a spec with SL+MD with 0/21/40 i was saccing imp for more fire dmg found it alot better at some point than using sl.

[lethalnl]

and why exactly would it be better?
-less survivability
-having to waste ILvl on extra 70 fire ress
-less spelldamage from having pet out

+you might possibly do a bit more threat if your non-fire ress gear is crap enough

if its the threat boost your after, then get better gear (more hit is the issue mostly) since a warlock spamming searing pain should easily be able to keep enough threat to sustain some nuking


first kill, and all the kills after that = sl/ruin+imp searing, any1 saying otherwise just doesnt know what he is talking about or a slacker for not respeccing, thats all there is to say about it rly
no need to make it harder on yourself or your healers

[Cappifoo]

and why exactly would it be better?
-less survivability
-having to waste ILvl on extra 70 fire ress
-less spelldamage from having pet out

+you might possibly do a bit more threat if your non-fire ress gear is crap enough

if its the threat boost your after, then get better gear (more hit is the issue mostly) since a warlock spamming searing pain should easily be able to keep enough threat to sustain some nuking


first kill, and all the kills after that = sl/ruin+imp searing, any1 saying otherwise just doesnt know what he is talking about or a slacker for not respeccing, thats all there is to say about it rly
no need to make it harder on yourself or your healers

To be honest thats saying stuff like zomg, need to ahve 2 prot specc'd tanks for kara and 3 healers or it just cant be done. or you need 365 shadow res for mother.

i do guild kara badge runs with 1 tank and 2 healers every week and we only use 300 sr for mother. i know guilds that use 250. why? because it makes things go faster and less hassle overall.

I have done leo specc'd raid affliction, sl/ruin, shadow destro, and about as much as you can think of. it can be done either way and if you can save gold/time while your at it then do it.

yes for your first few kills until your guild gets the hang of it try your best to get through it with the best spec possible. but once you get it on farm, you dont have to go out of your way to be the optimal spec.

[lethalnl]

ive never seen mother apply a stacking debuff that increases damage taken, no'r seen it hit for 14k :)

why? because it makes things go faster and less hassle overall.

you know...thats is just totally contradicting yourself

[Zuelu]

didn't intend for this to be a "yell your head off at each other" thread, but this is somewhat constuctive.

Summary- Any Spec will work but generally SL/ruin will give you more survivability and threat

General Consensus: STAY ALIVE

Doesn't matter how you get there but max fire res is a must

My lock is an alt, at level 70, and therefore gold is usually not a problem with me and i could do any spec

End Summary

BTW- We got leo, 4th attempt over 2 nights, first night we got to leo around 11 so we were all tired, i seriously forgot to get a screenie, so next Tuesday or Wednesday i will get the screenie. My GM (a mage who had his lock account banned but now plays a mage) and all i read before Wednesday really helped, on the kill attempt, i died 4 times and had no soulstone at leo 7% and therefore our druid tank melee tanked the demon form, 7 alive at leo death with 1:30 remaining on enrage timer, with 3-4 people in greens, but some of the grp was 3/5 T5 with one peice from Winterchill

[tookie]

what i really dont understand is, how can you at level 70 be a greenie? Aside from the very powerfull blues from lvl 66+ chain guests, you can showered in blues and epic as soon as you ding lvl 70. Is being green geared not lazy? and perhabs the root of your guilds issues?

[Deenoo]

Nether Protection does not proc off Leotheras the Blind's demon form as his attack is classified as physical attack instead of magical. It's either hit or resisted. That been said, if your warlock is leo tank, chance is that you will be kael fire warlock tank as well, which you dont want nether protection for tanking advisor.

[lethalnl]

Nether Protection does not proc off Leotheras the Blind's demon form as his attack is classified as physical attack instead of magical. It's either hit or resisted. That been said, if your warlock is leo tank, chance is that you will be kael fire warlock tank as well, which you dont want nether protection for tanking advisor.

never seen any1 use fire ress on capernian :), apart from the fact that it is totally unrelated (stay ontopic, leo the blind: fire tanking methods)

but one thing, fire damage =/= physical attacks
in the essence of the spell it should procc nether protect
so please quote a source for that statement :)

[Zuelu]

Leo's Chaos Blast spell is Fire Dmg and he only casts Chaos Blast During his demon form. However, as Lethalnl pointed out earlier in the thread Nether Prot=Immune and Immune = loss of aggro Nether Prot actually hinders your tanking of a fire damage only mob and on leo, Capernian or Eredar Twins to name a few mobs, can result in deaths in your raid.

I cant grasp why they have mostly greens but a few peices of S1 either, but my server is very low on the talent end of the spectrum, and these recruits showed dedication and we needed more warlocks, because as you can see, my main is a hunter.