Ele Shaman - Spell Haste

[Blaine0002]

I play an elemental shaman and have heard mixed things about when to transfer over to spell haste gear. What I have been doing is slowly replacing my crit gear with gear that has spell haste on it (only dps upgrades according to maxdps.com). Should I continue the route i'm going? or should I save my spell haste gear until I have a certain casting percent bonus?

[tommi]

Since your casts are fast going for haste above those given on Items from Sunwell items is pointless. To reach 1.8 LB you will have to gimp yourself that much that in the end it wont work for you since we are based only on crits

[davidian]

Since your casts are fast going for haste above those given on Items from Sunwell items is pointless. To reach 1.8 LB you will have to gimp yourself that much that in the end it wont work for you since we are based only on crits

This is not true. Haste will always be better than crit for raw dps. Stack as much haste and spell damage as you can, but keep enough crit so that you don't run out of mana on the long boss fights. I would try to keep around 20% crit unbuffed. If you happen to get blessing of wisdom and a shadow priest in your group you can probably afford to drop your crit even more.

[Blaine0002]

20% crit is ezmode to maintain, even with my haste gear I have 24 (without totem of wrath or skills) though im only up to about 80 haste.

[Binkenstein]

Since your casts are fast going for haste above those given on Items from Sunwell items is pointless. To reach 1.8 LB you will have to gimp yourself that much that in the end it wont work for you since we are based only on crits
*bzzt*
Incorrect. Haste is better to gem for early on, where the haste:dmg ratio is above 1.2. As you get more haste from gear that ratio decreases, but generally you'll be using forecful/quick/reckless initially, and then glowing/reckless/runed later on.

Crit wise, I'd try to aim for 40% fully buffed, including talents/ToW
Going under that is ok if you're sticking with LB spam though.

[Hosoth]

Haste is a good dps increase when you reach the 1,1k spell damage. Atm im at 1142 spd and 81 haste and about 39-40% crit raid buffed. thats just a slice under 24% unbuffed. My dps on our last brutallus kill was about 1,7k

Here is a link to the WWS for the fight: http://wowwebstats.com/lbmfcmt5np1ec?s=11859-12242

[Krispin149]

our elemental shaman has been going with spell haste since t5 instances. He does pretty well now in sunwell and always did since old content.

[Baldassar]

The only benefit spellcrit has over spellhaste is mana efficiency. Thus, as long as you are finishing fights with plenty of mana, or you are skipping mana pots (destro pots really suck tbh) changing gems and items that are critheavy to haste equivalents will only benefit you.

The real question would be whether the 10haste gems would be better than the 6/5, i may be back with calculations if i get time :)

[Nayto]

I personally love haste.

As of last night, I have 360 haste (+ around 60 average from the haste totem from badges) and a 1.63 cast LB.

I'm going to keep stacking haste according to gemslot (Quick LE for Yellow slows, Reckless Pyrestone for Reds) until I have enough haste that my LB evens out around 1 second with drums and heroism. I feel that's my personal cap because A) My group has a constant drum rotation and B) It's just silly if I were to push it past the amount of haste that I would have at that point.


But yeah, haste is a really good dps stat if you know what you're doing. Last night on M'uru I was pushing 1950 dps, which is right under the locks, and the locks are spamming Sbolt / Seed so that's quite reasonable.

[Binkenstein]

I personally love haste.

As of last night, I have 360 haste (+ around 60 average from the haste totem from badges) and a 1.63 cast LB.

I'm going to keep stacking haste according to gemslot (Quick LE for Yellow slows, Reckless Pyrestone for Reds) until I have enough haste that my LB evens out around 1 second with drums and heroism. I feel that's my personal cap because A) My group has a constant drum rotation and B) It's just silly if I were to push it past the amount of haste that I would have at that point.Well, to be perfectly honest I think you're past that point already. You'll be better off gemming damage and damage/haste rather than what you've got at the moment, because the extra damage you get from adding more haste diminishes as you add more haste, while an extra 12 damage gives the same whether you have 12 damage or 1200 damage.

Also, going by armorylite, you appear to have only one blue gem, so your meta isn't working.

[Finaljustice]

to bink or anyone else that wants to weigh in,

recently ive begun stacking some haste, but im hesitant to go all out and let myself dip below 1100dmg.

here is my armory :

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kargath&n=Finaljustice

i know i have slots that need upgrading (kara neck, kara ring) and i would like to replace the eye of mag/TLC, so lets just ignore those for now, theyre on their way out.

my guild has brut on farm so i plan to go for the next reign i see and were close on felmyst so i should have the tumultuous legs once she/they drop. the reign and legs represent my most direct plan for obtaining passive haste rating...my question is do you think if i were to get those tomorrow (rhetorical) would that boost my haste, along with my current gem set up to where i want to be haste/damage-wise? i should end up in the high 1100 damage range with 150-180 haste...this seems to be a decent sweet spot to hang around as my guild moves forward. the only thing that gives me pause about this thought is all the shaman i see with like 350-400 haste, saying its the bee's knees - which im sure it is, im just not capable of reaching that yet without destroying my spell damage.

my next question is in terms of gemming.... ive always been a fan of balance, in teh past balancing spell damage with crit etc. so its with this in mind that i shied away from gemming all out +10 haste as opposed to haste/damage. is this the right thinking? or should i just go balls out haste and let my damage coast on passive gear improvements?

thanks in advance,

FJ.

[ky-ou]

I used to play elemental in raids, didn't have a full group drum rotation and didn't stack spell haste gems when sunwell came out.

I was pushing 1850 DPS on brutallus when I quit playing. (I used all 12dmg, 6dmg/7sta, and 6dmg/5crit gems.)

If you're delaying your chain lightning casts to finish another lightning bolt with spell haste, then you're losing DPS. 1.5 Second cast lightning bolt in a group with constant drum rotation would be ideal more is kinda of pushing it with current gear out, in my opinion.

[Binkenstein]

Get the badge legs from IQD, replace the orange gem with a red one for the gloves.
With the gear level you have, haste will be slightly more valuable than damage, so gemming BT/MH/Badge gear for haste>dmg while doing the opposite for SP gear will be a good idea.

The neck should be replaced with the JC bop one, or the Kael quest reward.
Unrelenting storm is fairly good, but replacing it with mana attuned/bt trash would be a good idea too.
Trinkets, TLC is good, but replace Mags with Darkmoon: Crusade if you can.

[Glorgull]

I was recently accepted into a bt/hyjal guild and am wondering what kind of gear should be used pre sp. Because i joined after the 1st bb kill i am a little lacking in dkp so it should be a couple of months b4 i have my t6/ non set from bt/hyjal. I was wondering, with the absence of alot of hast gear in bt for ele shammys and only the availability of 5 pieces of t6 what kind of gear should i be shooting for/ should i abandon my crit and dmg to start a haste set even though it may be incomplete and not able to give alot of hast for some time.
It may be too vague of a question but any response will help.

[Naoshia]

I hope this post isn't to old but here's hoping I can get some help.

I've been reading stuff bink has posted on elitestjerks and looking at the gear on the people here gemming haste I see people with better gear then me on average. My question is as everyone elses. With my current gear should I gem damage over haste? use haste/dmg gems?

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Lightninghoof&n=Naoshia

I just now put haste/damage gems in my damage/hit slots (3 total) I'm just shy of 1k spell damage with my wrath of air down.

I only ask this because it seems like i'm below the others gemming for haste and didn't know if I should focus more on dmg/crit

[Binkenstein]

If you re-read my TTT entry, I'm fairly certain I put a rule of thumb in there. Pre-sunwell gear = haste, sunwell gear (instance, not badges) = damage.

[Thundros]

On brut I float around 1800dps(1900 with a boomkin) using a sloppy 4/1 rotation. I'm going to experiment with straight lb spam and changing up my trinkets, I currently have TLC and Quags, with sextant, and DMC:C in my bags.

heres our first brut kill:

http://wowwebstats.com/434naeg255gsq?s=212369-244264

[Binkenstein]

Use sextant & crusade instead, and possibly swap out your skycall totem for ancestral guidance (I feel sorry for elemental shaman that don't have it yet, as all our resto/enh shaman have it now too)

[Krispin149]

If you re-read my TTT entry, I'm fairly certain I put a rule of thumb in there. Pre-sunwell gear = haste, sunwell gear (instance, not badges) = damage.


this is somewhat true

[AokiCho]

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[kudret]

i love binkenstein

[WTBDMG]

Here has been my experience... I do not run out of mana at around 30% crit and 25% haste rating.... but this is in BT and I am chuging MASSIVE amounts of mana pots on long fights like illidan... if you have money and dont mind doing this then you wont have much mana problems... remember to illidan is a very long fight so this is an extreme case.... Most ele shammy in SWP will tell you that if you have 40% crit you can sustain high high levels of haste (25%+) and never have mana problems